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Where is this other Jewish Calendar?
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GentleGospeller
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Like I said. You are using the wrong calendar. You are of course going to get the wrong date.
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There are three primary Jewush calendars
These are:
1. the Biblical Hebrew Calendar
2. the Talmudic Hebrew Calendar
3. the Post-Talmudic Hebrew Calendar
The Biblical Hebrew Calendar was based on visual observations of the "signs" (the moon and seasons).
The Talmudic Hebrew Calendar was developed to address issuss of beginning Nisan at the inappropriate time.
For example, under the patriarchate of Rabbi Judah I (163-193) the Samaritan set fires to disrupt the existing system and obscuring visibility the month was started at an inappropriate time. Weather, inaccurate reports from messengers, and errors in the Sanhedrin evaluation - like under the leadership of Gamaliel II (80 AD to 118 AD) - highlighted the need for a new system.
Under the leadership of Rabbi Judah III. (300-330) the testimony of the witnesses became secondary to mathametical calculations.
The issue, however, was that this calendar was still ad hoc with adjustments made for seasons.
The Post-Talmudic Hebrew Calender began under Hillel II's leadership (330-365 AD). While Hillel II is regarded as the creator of the modern Hebrew Calender, much of his work was making Judah III's methods known.
This shows the main Hebrew systems throughout history, but these began systematically throughout history (post-exile, for example, the Hebrew Calendar was influenced by the Bablyonian Calendar).
These are:
1. the Biblical Hebrew Calendar
2. the Talmudic Hebrew Calendar
3. the Post-Talmudic Hebrew Calendar
The Biblical Hebrew Calendar was based on visual observations of the "signs" (the moon and seasons).
The Talmudic Hebrew Calendar was developed to address issuss of beginning Nisan at the inappropriate time.
For example, under the patriarchate of Rabbi Judah I (163-193) the Samaritan set fires to disrupt the existing system and obscuring visibility the month was started at an inappropriate time. Weather, inaccurate reports from messengers, and errors in the Sanhedrin evaluation - like under the leadership of Gamaliel II (80 AD to 118 AD) - highlighted the need for a new system.
Under the leadership of Rabbi Judah III. (300-330) the testimony of the witnesses became secondary to mathametical calculations.
The issue, however, was that this calendar was still ad hoc with adjustments made for seasons.
The Post-Talmudic Hebrew Calender began under Hillel II's leadership (330-365 AD). While Hillel II is regarded as the creator of the modern Hebrew Calender, much of his work was making Judah III's methods known.
This shows the main Hebrew systems throughout history, but these began systematically throughout history (post-exile, for example, the Hebrew Calendar was influenced by the Bablyonian Calendar).
37818
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Give me this correct Jewish Calendar for it's year. And it's Hebrew Year. Or hold your peace.
37818
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I was also using Calendar Converter
These are two different Hebrew Calendars.
@GentleGospeller, are you using a third?
37818
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Please provide each Calendar for the same year or neighboring years if needed.
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We cannot provide the Biblical Calender insofar as it aligns with the Julian Calendar be ause it was ad hoc and based on visual observation.
That is why we can only guess at a Julian date.
I gave two examples in history, in the 1st century AD, when 1 Nisan started later than it should.
37818
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The two dates you cited?
So now you admit you could be at least a day off and we can't know the exact Julian date.
This discussion hasn't been for naught.
Actually it does.
The reason is it means you could have very well stated the wrong Julian date. You narrowed it down, in your theory, to two days which means you could be years off the mark.
37818
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Both Julian date 30 AD April 5th and Julian date 31 AD, alternative Calendar fate April 25th.
Only in 30 AD can April 6th be easily be charged to April 7th by misinterpreting Mark 15:42. Which it was.
It was the date (which we cannot factually know) that fits with:
Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day).
We do not have to treat your assumptions as true (you are basing your calculations on practices that were not 1st century practices).
I was just saying that even with your theory we cannot know the exact date.
You now allow for 2 possible Julian Calendar dates, which means per your belief we cannot know for certain that the Resurrection was historical.
And it does not have to be 30 AD, btw.
37818
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We know the year based on Luke 3:1 27 AD. and the three Passovers noted in John. 28 AD, 29 AD, and 30 AD the Passover of the crucifixion.
You have confused Jesus' baptism with His death.
The 15th year of Tiberius' reign was September 29 to September 30 AD. This was when Jesus was Baptized. (Tiberius reigned from September 17, 14 AD to March 16, 37 AD).
Some suggest a joint reign to make their dates work, but history does not record such a reign.
37818
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30 AD with other Scriptural evidence identifies.the month of Nisan corroborating Hebrew Calendar for that year. The points of agreement you.cannot make it up.
No. Scripture states that Jesus was baptized in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign.
You admitted to the passage and said "during, not after". This also means "during, not before".
What was the 15th year of Tiberius' reign?
September 29 AD to September 30 AD.
John works through at least three seperate passovers during Jesus' ministry.
Jesus was baptized in 29 to 30 AD (during the 15th year of Tiberius reign). You have 3 to 3 1/2 years of ministry.
30 AD is simply too soon. It would mean Jesus had to be baptized in the 12th year of Tiberius reign.
37818
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14 AD was counted as year one. 15 AD would be year two. 29 AD would be the 16th year. 28 AD is the 15th year. After the 14th year, 27 AD. So between 27 AD to 28 AD is in the 15th year.
14 AD is year one In not after the fifteenth year. zero. So between 14 AD to 15 AD is in the second year.
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