The Social Gospel?

No. Not become some of the GOP is flawed. Because the GOP is also part of a power we are told in Scripture to struggle against.

And because Jesus commanded us, regarding the evil in the World that may affect us, "resist not evil".

 

No. The command to "resist not evil" corresponds with Jesus sermon. The example of walking twice what was asked refers to a law by the Roman government (for example).

"Resist not evil" does not mean "seek not revenge" (hence turning the other cheek).

Look at Jesus. He faced an eternally greater evil under the secular government than any of us are talking about (where we are talking about immigration policy and economic policy He, being God, was given over by the religious body to the government (the "wicked men") and "killed by the hands of wicked men".

Yet He was as a Lamb led to the slaughter. He opened not His mouth. He remained obedient even to death on a cross. And He prayed for those men.

Abortion was common in the secular society. Jesus did not move to change the laws. Immorality was common. Jesus did nothing to change the laws.

When asked (the Jews were looking for a Messiah that would do the things you want to accomplish through the World) what did Jesus say? "My kingdom is not of this world".

Was Jesus supporting evil by not changing the secular government?

 

The word "person" is added. Literally, "resist not evil".

The point is that we are to be imitators of Christ.

It goes back to the purpose you think being a part of a worldly political power will accomplish. What is your goal?

It is not a moral goal (no side wants to legislate morality by banning abortion or immoral lifestyles. It is all about economics and immigration).


This is where the church fails:

"For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’"

 

The Apostles did not resist the Roman government. They did not obey when obedience was disobedience to God but they also did not seek to change the government.

What you are doing is the equivalent of the Jews looking for a Messiah to resist the evils in the World and to install a godly secular government.

Jesus told those people that they lacked understanding of His Kingdom. I'd say the same to you here.


Why should I support the GOP?

That party is just as immoral as the DNC. The GOP is not seeking to ban abortions (which would be my only issue). Gay/ transgender voters represent a significant portion of the GOP.

You need to be honest here.

What you have expressed interest in, what will get you to support one world powers, has nothing to do with God. It has to do with immigration policy and economics.

Why condemn a Christian by saying they support evil because they will not support a worldly power that you believe has a better economic or immigration policy?


I cannot, and WILL NOT, support any worldly power that has vowed to keep abortion legal for our nation. It will not happen. If I do then the blood of those children would be on my hands.

Your compromise is your business. I am not bought so easily.


To make matters worse, the GOP's immigration policy is anti-Christ. Those illegal immigrants were allowed into our country by our government. Many were flown to cities by our government. We cannot simply round them up and send them back because our government brought them here.

 

No, that is not true. "Vengeance is mine" was already accepted Scripture.
Jesus not only tells us not to resist evil but to allow the World to be the World (trun the other cheek).

Not only that, but we have Jesus' example that we can follow when it comes to trying to make the World godly. He said not to. The World is already condemned.

And, nobody here is even talking about making the World less evil when they suggest supporting a "power of darkness" to fight a "greater evil".

Christians have decided to follow the wolf that wears sheep's clothing in order to fight against the economic policies of the wolf that proudly looks like a wolf.


Read @Van 's comments. He is suggesting that we support a platform that seeks to keep abortion federally legal. He supports a government that will allow children to be killed as long as the people want to kill children. Why? Because they look more like sheep than the wolves on the other side.


You tell me - why should I support a secular power that has vowed to keep abortion federally legal - that has vowed to let the people decide whether to kill children?

I get it is against another secular power that celebrates abortion. But I will not join my voice with any party that supports allowing the murder of children.....even if I think they have a better economic plan.

 

That is one thing I will not do.

Thus far you have not provided even one passage that tells us we must be a participant in a secular world power or be guilty of supporting evil. You have said it, but you have provided no Biblical support.

I believe we are not to compromise Christ in our lives. That is why I refuse to support a political party.

That is the opposite of submitting to evil. That is resisting evil in our lives and hearts. That is not turning back to the concerns of the World. That is resisting not the evil of the World but trusting God.

You make it sound like Jesus was submitting to evil by allowing the wicked to nail Him to a cross without fighting back. You seem to detest that He resisted not evil to the point He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, not opening up His mouth in condemnation against the World.

But had Jesus led the life you believe to be the Christian standard then where would we be today?


I believe it would be a sin for me to support a power that has vowed to make sure citizens have the right to decide if they will allow children to be slaughtered in their mother's womb.

But that is what you believe a necessary "Christian" compromise in order to protect the economy and address immigration.


The Bible tells us that to be a friend of the World is to be an enemy of God. That so many Christians now yoke themselves with forces of darkness in hopes of a better financial outlook shows us exactly what they value.

 

No. That is NOT what I said.

I said that we DO influence the World. We don't, obviously, influence those powers because those powers are spiritual powers of evil (we are not going to change Satan, we are not going to make evil somehow good even though many here pretend it is).

You make another false statement against me, but I get it is probably that you didn't grasp the point.

We do not accept evil. We do accept God's Word that the World is and enemy of God, so we accept the situation because God is not a liar.

But evil we stand against by standing in Christ.

The issue is you seem to want to stand for Christ but first you want to make the World good so that your stand doesn't put you at odds with Satan.

You are compromised. The reason is every aspect you have expressed as important has nothing to do with Christ.

You say I should support allowing citizens decide to kill babies because that party would usher in a better economy and deport people the current administration allowed in the country.

I say any support for allowing citizens the option to kill children is evil, even if there is a greater evil.

 

Sorry. I mistook your comments to be suggesting that you were supporting Trump (who repeatedly said "no ban on abortion" (meaning federally.....give the people the choice of killing those children).

We have school choice. What you mean is you support the government paying for private school.

I won't support the DNC either.

 

No. I have not twisted anything.

Jesus said "resist not evil". God said that to befriend the World is to make an enemy of Him. God said not to be concerned with the affairs of the World. God said not to judge the World.


You have failed to make a case for supporting a "lesser evil" (keeping abortion legal at a national level, permitting the people to decide whether to kill children) in order to achieve economic gains.

It seems that your concern is more about your own well being than it is being "salt and light".

 

Now you are making stuff up.

No passage presents Jesus and the Apostles as standing against the political powers of their time.

They condemned some within the people of God, BUT towards the actual government Jesus simply said "render unto Caesar what is Caesars".

Nowhere does Jesus or the Apostles act as the Jews expected (and you claim).


If I were to join a worldly power it would not be one that supports allowing the people to decide whether to kill babies. That may be a "lesser evil", but I won't support it.

I stand for Christ, which is a stand against evil (even when you are a part of that evil).