Featured All of the Conditions for the Salvation of God's Elect Were Fulfilled By Christ

Post #20

 

Brother, in your own words you have met the condition for our Lord's salvation!

 

But you did meet His condition of repenting and believing?

 

OK, Ken, does God or does not God demand repenting of ones sins and believing in Jesus Christ?

I'll give you some help to decide!

John 8:24

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

 

Question, Ken.

This is a direct command from God straight out of the mouth of the Apostle Paul.

Is it a condition that must be met for salvation?

Acts 17:30
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

 

I can see that agreeing on God's conditional salvation is not coming.

So that is that!

 

This is all very imaginative—but it is not at all biblical!

John 8:31. So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;”

John 15:4. “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.”

John 15:6. “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

7. “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”

John 15:10. “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”

(All quotations from Scripture are from the NASB, 1995)

 

Christ met all the conditions on whether or not one perseveres, abides in Him

 

1 John 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:23, And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

 

Acts 16:31 οἱ δὲ εἶπαν· πίστευσον ἐπὶ τὸν κύριον Ἰησοῦν καὶ σωθήσῃ σὺ καὶ ὁ οἶκός σου. (NA28)

Acts 16:31. They answered, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (NRSV)

Notice that the verb πίστευσον is in the imperative mood—the Greek mood used for commands. Paul and Silas commanded the jailer to “Believe on the Lord Jesus” in order to be saved. The jailer chose to obey the command, and was saved. Jesus met some of the needs for the jailer’s salvation—and the jailer chose to meet the remaining need.

 

The Jailor was given the gift of believing in Christ, so he believed , he had no choice, Christ had met all the conditions for him to believe. The Jailor was one of these Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

God is not such a horrible monster that He stole from humanity their ability choose whom they will serve, whether Baal, Allah, Satan, or the Lord God. Indeed, the ability to make that choice is a substantial part of what it means to be human and made in God’s own image, according to His likeness.

Gen. 1:26. Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (RSV)

Acts 16:31 οἱ δὲ εἶπαν· πίστευσον ἐπὶ τὸν κύριον Ἰησοῦν καὶ σωθήσῃ σὺ καὶ ὁ οἶκός σου. (NA28)

Acts 16:31. They answered, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (NRSV)

Notice that the verb πίστευσον is in the imperative mood—the Greek mood used for commands. Paul and Silas commanded the jailer to “Believe on the Lord Jesus” in order to be saved. The jailer chose to obey the command, and was saved. Jesus met some of the needs for the jailer’s salvation—and the jailer chose to meet the remaining need.

I believe the Bible. I do not believe some poorly educated 16th century Roman Catholic dissidents who chose to disbelieve the Book of Acts because it exposes their belief system for what it really is.

 

Now you calling God a Monster, not good friend.

 

A Christless Theology

From the earliest times, Hebrew/Jewish people have believed and written that God created man with a free will—thus making him culpable for his sins.

Joshua 24:14. "Now therefore revere the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness; put away the gods that your ancestors served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.
15. Now if you are unwilling to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord."
16. Then the people answered, "Far be it from us that we should forsake the Lord to serve other gods;
17. for it is the Lord our God who brought us and our ancestors up from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, and who did those great signs in our sight. He protected us along all the way that we went, and among all the peoples through whom we passed;
18. and the Lord drove out before us all the peoples, the Amorites who lived in the land. Therefore we also will serve the Lord, for he is our God."
19. But Joshua said to the people, "You cannot serve the Lord, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins.
20. If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm, and consume you, after having done you good."
21. And the people said to Joshua, "No, we will serve the Lord!"
22. Then Joshua said to the people, "You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the Lord, to serve him." And they said, "We are witnesses."
23. He said, "Then put away the foreign gods that are among you, and incline your hearts to the Lord, the God of Israel."
24. The people said to Joshua, "The Lord our God we will serve, and him we will obey." (NRSV)

Sirach 15:14. It was he who created humankind in the beginning,
and he left them in the power of their own free choice.
15 If you choose, you can keep the commandments,
and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice.
16 He has placed before you fire and water;
stretch out your hand for whichever you choose.
17 Before each person are life and death,
and whichever one chooses will be given.
18 For great is the wisdom of the Lord;
he is mighty in power and sees everything;
19 his eyes are on those who fear him,
and he knows every human action.
20 He has not commanded anyone to be wicked,
and he has not given anyone permission to sin. (ESV)

Sirach 15:14. When God, in the beginning,
created man, he made him subject to his own free choice
15. If you choose you can keep the commandments;
it is loyalty to do his will.
16. There are set before you fire and water;
to whichever you choose, stretch forth your hand.
17. Before man are life and death,
whichever he chooses shall be given him.
18. Immense is the wisdom of the LORD;
he is mighty in power, and all-seeing.
19. The eyes of God see all he has made;
he understands man's every deed.
20. No man does he command to sin,
to none does he give strength for lies. (NAB)

Sirach 15:14. It was he who created humankind in the beginning,
and he left them in the power of their own free choice.
15 If you choose, you can keep the commandments,
and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice.
16 He has placed before you fire and water;
stretch out your hand for whichever you choose.
17 Before each person are life and death,
and whichever one chooses will be given.
18 For great is the wisdom of the Lord;
he is mighty in power and sees everything;
19 his eyes are on those who fear him,
and he knows every human action.
20 He has not commanded anyone to be wicked,
and he has not given anyone permission to sin. (NRSVCE)

Acts 16:25. About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them.
26. Suddenly there was an earthquake, so violent that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone's chains were unfastened.
27. When the jailer woke up and saw the prison doors wide open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, since he supposed that the prisoners had escaped.
28. But Paul shouted in a loud voice, "Do not harm yourself, for we are all here."
29. The jailer {Gk [He]} called for lights, and rushing in, he fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.
30. Then he brought them outside and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
31. They answered, "Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (NRSV)


Without freedom of choice—there is no culpability.

Without culpability—there is no punishment.

Without punishment —there is no salvation.

Without salvation—there is no forgiveness.

Without forgiveness—there is no Jesus

Who are you writing about? Christians do not believe such things as these.