Christian Denominations that Don't Vote

If you get to pick the reasons you don't vote, (which I actually agree that you do), then I get to say why I do vote, without you making an offensive charge that I am being dishonest, as you do here:

I have I think clearly stated the reasons I am voting for Trump, just like @Scarlett O. did. Is she being dishonest too? I think what I am doing is pretty clear, is agreed with by the majority of the Christian world in this country, and is what I think a reasonable person would do. Believe me, it is honest. The first time Trump ran I stood in the booth for 20 minutes and could not bring myself to vote for him. I did vote for him last time because he did not destroy civilization and he kept his promise on the justices. The repeal of Roe brought a change which is new for us to face in the pro life movement. Namely, we have been getting our clocks cleaned at the polls. To me it's very simple this time to try to vote. I don't ask you to agree but that is my strategy and it is offensive as well as incorrect for you to keep saying that is dishonest, especially when you are supposed to also be a moderator.

 

People can judge for themselves what to make of this. I feel exactly as @Scarlett O. does about this vote cycle and said so in the above post. Yet somehow I am being dishonest in Jon's eyes.
It is a simple fact that even as bad as the Republican platform is this time around, and even if they were to actually accomplish everything they have promised in their platform, which they won't , there would not be one singe additional abortion as compared to what will be the case if the Democrats win, nor will the homosexual agenda move one more inch in their direction. That's the point that I don't mind continually making so that everyone on here might see this and not be swayed by your faulty logic. I am willing to do this for 300 more replies until election day if necessary. You are the one playing make believe. Somehow you think you can derive some sense of moral satisfaction by helping cause more abortions, and further entrenchment of the radical homosexual agenda but by golly you will be pure in your own self satisfying secret vote, which won't matter anyway.

 

Assuming you think, regardless of which you vote for you are voting for someone and or something below God's standard;

IYO Are, "the purposes of God," going to come about, on earth, by men getting better and better or worst and worst bringing forth, "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever," Dan 2:44?

Now I will state, I believe the kingdom of Daniel 2:44 will be on the earth.

IMHO It is impossible for even Christian men not of the following state, "for it behoveth this corruptible to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality; 1 Cor 15:53," to govern on this earth with absolute righteousness.

Also IMHO I believe my life and liberty, in the, "mortal,' flesh, will be better off with Trump as president presently, than man or woman running for that office.

I hope and pray he is a little different than the Rino's of the GOP.

 

PensiveTulip on X: "Drop everything and watch this: ⬇️ https://t.co/MzwNqq0XTu" / X


Insurrection Barbie on X: "A very important message for the 32 million Christians that plan to sit this election out. https://t.co/5qPrYuN0VD" / X

 

Making a false charge like this, repeatedly, with no evidence to support, should be outside of acceptable posts. People can decide for themselves what this means about you.
Trump wins = fewer babies killed Kamala wins = more babies killed
The weirdness of their lifestyles, their personalities, even their possible lunacy or instability are all conjecture by us, to be discovered as time goes on by humans who can't see the future. The equation above is fact. I really hope that you can feel good about your position being "honest". It doesn't look like that to me.

I'm not so sure this whole idea about Christian groups not voting isn't bogus. I would have to go back and look and see if there is similar literature posted against the liberal candidates and their moral unfitness by these guardians of truth and consistency. I have been watching this unfold for a long time and I notice with guys like Russell Moore and David French they put out an article attacking believers and soon after get that coveted article in the Washington Post. I sometimes wonder if their job wasn't to peel off 10% or so of the problematic Christian vote that has plagued the march of cultural Marxism since Falwell Sr. got the "moral majority" to vote.

 

Believe me Jon, you don't want to do everything Origen did.

It's you that's being dishonest. I have explained that my main purpose in voting for Trump is to keep the Dems out and minimize the structural damage they have promised to do. If you are not being dishonest at this point then there could be a comprehension problem.

A majority of Republicans are still very pro life, and wanting severe restrictions on abortion if not a total ban. Of course you legislate morality. Almost all laws are a legislation of morality. You have fallen into the trap that the idea that you cannot make people internally moral by legislation (which is true), is the same as legislation that is clearly for the common good. That argument has been had a thousand times already.

That is factually not true. People are smart enough to look at what the candidates say and judge for themselves. I understand your concern with the degradation of both parties. Thirty years ago I voted for a local Democrat running for congress with a Right to Life endorsement and an A+ rating from the NRA. Things change, and not always for the better. Democrats at the Federal level used to say they wanted abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare". Now they brag about the time they had one. The degradation may go one way and then go another. All one can do is what is possible to do at the time. When I read Wilberforce I get some encouragement. In his book he says that the Church of England at the time was apostate, the people were unhealthy drunks working their children 16 hours a day in factories and then drinking up the kids paychecks, and the economy depended on slavery. But he devoted his life to "legislating morality" and had some victories. Things improved for everyone. Don't give up. Do what you can. The preacher in the video @percho posted above did a good job of explaining both the purpose and the limitation of what you can do politically.

 

In 2016, one of my major concerns was which party gets to pick the SCOTUS nominees, still is.

 

No. I do not support those things. (Some of them I do) but I do understand the concept of unintended consequences. We all risk that. Who knows at this point whether staying out of involvement in foreign wars is wiser than the Neocon idea of policing the world. Only when it becomes history will we know those answers. You do not share the guilt of every policy a regime has just because you support some of the things they do. The power of Rome made it possible for Paul to travel most of the known world with some degree of safety and Paul was a citizen by birth. That does not mean Paul was supporting the arena, or the conquering and pillaging of most of the planet. Most Republicans support severe restrictions on abortion. The vast majority of Republicans while they don't care what homosexuals do in private, do not want government officials who are men wearing dresses, nor do they announce they are coming for your children. Anyone who can't see the differences is a moron.

 

If Harris wins there will truly be more abortions than there are now. Therefore they would be supporting abortion. If Trump wins there will be less abortions than there are now, hospitals and medical personnel will be able to not participate, and states who wish to do more to restrict it can do so. This is not rocket science.

In addition, should someone truly feel that Trump will destroy the whole world by causing WWIII and therefore supported Harris, while I would strongly disagree with their wisdom, I would not try to blame them for Harris stand on abortion. In their minds, they would think they were saving lives since getting aborted is equivalent to being nuked. Like I said, history will tell whether they are right or wrong, but they are not responsible morally, for the increased abortions Harris will cause unless they wanted them. If you supported more social workers and less police I might believe you are causing an increase in the murder rate but you are not morally responsible for the increase if your motive was thinking you were helping.

In your case, Jon, I know there are those who condemn you for sitting out. Last week Glen Beck had a guest who basically said people like you were going to be damned to the Lake of Fire for their voting stance. I fully understand your line of thought on this and also of the denominations who do the same. I do not agree with such sweeping judgements toward those who feel like you and I also don't accept the broad implications you try to put on me since I have decided not to sit out.

Your premise is that a good Christian should not vote this time. I think that is ridiculous since we can do some good, and we are legally allowed to do so without any violence or harm to anyone and it violates no Christian principles.

 

Yes, really. Some states right now severely limit abortions. Harris wants a federal law, with no limits, or at least what Roe had, and is so in favor of it she said she will try to eliminate the filibuster in order to get her way. If she does, there will be many more elective abortions than there are now, not to mention the other adverse effects of her election. And she demands you to pay for them too. And by the way, although it still is not mandatory, I see a possible future where the pressure will be on for some poor parent grappling with finding out a child has say Downs Syndrome and wants to have the baby anyway.

No I'm not. On it's own, with no other considerations, the fact is more abortions will be done if Harris wins. All I said was that I will not judge on a moral level, like you are doing to me, if the person really believed that Trump would do something that would cause even a greater loss of life than Harris overall. I wouldn't agree with their logic, but at least I would not judge them morally, or try to say they were being dishonest, just wrong. We are humans.

Sure they can. Except it is a fact that more abortions will occur if Harris wins. If Trump wins, there will be fewer abortions, but you have now someone in office who is theoretically and spiritually problematic. You take your choice.