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Then you believe incorrectly.

God sustains the entire universe, all of existence. If He ever decided to, all of existence would vanish; the entire universe. Do you really believe Satan’s power equal to God. Nonsense!

Like I said, not even a fly on the back of an elephant.

Peace to you

 

No, I'm not talking about divine attributes, I'm talking about power to destroy, just pure destruction as only Satan knows how to do.

Of course Satan is no match for God, but his power of destruction is. I guess we will see when the limits are lifted.

 

Again, you are thinking WAY too highly of the power of Satan to destroy.

To say his power to destroy is equal to God is blasphemous, imo.

Satan is not equal to God in any way!! None, not even one thing and it is not even close!

Please reconsider your position here.

I am not saying it won’t be terrible during the tribulation period, but let’s not go too far in what Satan is capable of.

Again, Satan is not equal to God in any way. To say he is is blasphemous.

peace to you

 

My Goodness, I'm not saying that Satan is equal to God, but I know you know that.

We can see in the Scripture, especially in Rev. that if left unchecked by God, Satan can destroy this entire world.

His power is no joke, I'm saying don't under estimate what he can do.

Most believe he is a wimp that just pesters us at times, and he's stupid. I assure you he is much more than that. He's just being kept on a leash and very much limited to what God will allow.

 

...it WAS indeed very terrible during 'the great tribulation'.

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Read the eyewitness account of Josephus, 'Wars of the Jews'.

 

KY, you never cease to amaze me, you're a Preterist, along with a PB, Calvinist, and Universalist?

 

Charlie, you're a 'nice guy' in my book, until you start saying false things about me.

Now, address the post that I linked to (the thread is still open) instead of attempting to smear me.

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I'm not trying the smear you, you know that. Why so defensive?

I did read the link, it led me to believe you were a Preterist.

I was just asking, not trying to insult.

 

My apologies.

FYI, I'm just as much Amil, Postmil, Historicist, as I am Pret, and I'm not a Calvinist (which I've already told you), and definitely not one of those 'UR' folk.

 

Ok, now I know. But you do realize if you hold those 5 points you will be considered a Calvinist.

But I see you don't claim that title, so I know not to refer to you as a Calvinist.

But others won't know that unless you tell them like you have me.

 

Why is that distinction so important to you Charlie? Whether one is a Calvinist or not.

 

I like to know where someone stands. It's been somewhat of a mystery with you though.

I had forgotten you told me earlier that you didn't cater to the Calvinist label.

But I wasn't sure about the Universalism and Preterist part.

It may be best for me not to ask anything, just let it be.

 

My aim is to be a Biblicist. Your's should be too.

Both terms are often used in a derogatory sense here. To some, Preterist is a four-letter word. I think you already know that.

It might be helpful to stop trying to categorize everything/everyone too quickly.

 

When you're on the boards you need to know who you're talking to.

All kinds of messed up communication going on if you don't.

Playing the unity card on the boards ain't gonna work, my friend.

This is whole different platform here on the boards.

 

"The incarnation of Christ is a most extraordinary and amazing affair; it is wonderful indeed, that the eternal Son of God should become man; that he should be born of a pure virgin, without any concern of man in it; that this should be brought about by the power of the Holy Ghost, in a way unseen, imperceptible and unknown, signified by his overshadowing; and all this in order to effect the most wonderful work that ever was done in the world, the redemption and salvation of men: it is a most mysterious thing, incomprehensible by men, and not to be accounted for upon the principles of natural reason; and is only to be believed and embraced upon the credit of divine revelation, to which it solely belongs...."

"When the Virgin hesitated about what was told her by the angel, she was assured by him, that the Holy Ghost should come upon her, and the power of the Highest should overshadow her; and accordingly the birth of Christ was on this wise, when Joseph and Mary were espoused, before they came together, “she was found with child of the Holy Ghost;” and Joseph was told, in order to encourage him to take her to wife, that what was “conceived in her, was of the Holy Ghost;” and therefore he himself was not incarnate; (see Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:18, 20). It remains, that it is the second Person, the Son of God, who is meant by “the Word that was made flesh”, or became incarnate; and, indeed, it is explained of him in the same passage; for it follows; “And we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,” And it is easy to observe, that the same divine Person that bears the name of the Word, in the order of the Trinity, in one place, has that of the Son in another; by which it appears they are the same; (compare 1 John 5:7 with Matthew 28:19)...."

“the Lord from heaven” (1 Cor. 15:47). But the words are not to be understood of the descent of the human nature of Christ from heaven; but of his divine Person from thence; not by change of place, but by assumption of the human nature into union with him; by virtue of which union the man Christ has the name of the “Lord from heaven;” and not because of the original and descent of the human nature from thence; and in this sense, and in this sense only, are we to understand the words of Christ, when he says, “I came down from heaven” (John 6:38), namely, that he descended in and by the human nature; not by bringing it down from thence, but by taking it into union with his divine Person.

2d1b. This conception was through the power and influence of the Holy Ghost, overshadowing the virgin. His operations in this affair may be considered in this manner, and after this order; He first took a part and portion of the virgin, of her semen, or blood, and conveyed it to a proper place; and purified and sanctified it, or separated it, not from any moral impurity, which it was not capable of, being an unformed mass; but from a natural indisposition in it, which, had it not been removed, might hereafter have occasioned sin; to prevent which this was done; and then he impregnated it with a fructifying virtue, and formed the members of the human body, in order, at once, and in a fitness (being properly organized) to receive the human soul; for to consider its immediate formation in such a state, is much more agreeable to the formation of the first man, more becoming the workmanship of the Holy Ghost, and more suitable to the dignity of the Son of God to assume it into union with himself, than to suppose it an unformed and unshapen embryo. Yet this is to be understood, not as if it was in such a state as not to admit of a future increase, both before and after birth; nor to contradict its continuance in the womb of the virgin the usual time of every man. Now though this affair has been spoken of as in various processes, yet must be understood as all instantaneously done by the almighty power of the Holy Spirit: in the same instant the human body was thus conceived, formed, and organized, the human soul of Christ was created and united to it, by him who “forms the spirit of man within him;” and in that very instant the body was conceived and formed, and the soul united to it, did the Son of God assume the whole human nature at once, and take it into union with his divine Person, and gave it a subsistence in it; so that the human nature of Christ never had a subsistence of itself; but from the moment of its conception, formation, and creation, it subsisted in the Person of the Son of God: and hence the human nature of Christ is not a person; a person is that which subsists of itself: but that the human nature of Christ never did; therefore,

2d1c. It was a nature, and not a person, that Christ assumed so early as at its conception; it is called “the holy Thing”, and not a person; “The seed of Abraham”, or the nature of the seed of Abraham; the “form” and “fashion” of a man, that is, the nature of man; as “the form of God”, in the same passage, signifies the nature of God; (see Luke 1:35; Heb. 2:16; Phil. 2:6-8)."

From John Gill: Doctrinal Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

 

...which takes time.

Charlie, your imagination is what's 'a mystery' to me. I'm at a loss to know what you mean by "playing the unity card".

 

LOL, It will hit you about 2 am, maybe 3.

 

...not unless you tell me. What is this "unity card"?

 

From Heb 2:14

that he might destroy him that had the power of [the] death, that is, the devil;

Did the devil have this power in the garden of Eden?

At the time of the sin of Adam, how long had the devil had this power?

From Gen 2:17 מוֹת תָּמוּת to die you shall die - dying thou dost die - thou shall surly die

Appears to me death was already a concept.

Was Adam created as the figure of another to come?

Did God create Adam in a manner subject to this power?

Why?

Why was the Son of God manifested? Incarnated?

Did death have anything to do with, it? What death, the death of Gen 2:17?


BTW I always have more questions than answers.

 

Do you know what the opposite of God is?

You're worshipping the wrong god.

Choose this day whom/Whom you will serve.

That's not saying much for The Eternal Triune Godhead, is it?
I view your comment with abhorrence, indignation, and contempt.

The tribulation Jesus predicted took place as reported by Josephus, an eyewitness, as KY says.

Your tribulation disappears in Jesus.

That was in Jerusalem, A.D. 70.

If you weren't infinitely wrong, maybe yeah.

Satan has you hooked by fear.

The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.

You are fearing nothing that is ever going to happen, except Satan being loosed for a little season before Jesus Returns to separate the sheep from the goats and that is The End of Time.

Satan will be loosed "to deceive the nations" is all Revelation 20 says about that.

No, you're not talking about Divine Attributes because you have exalted the devil above the throne of Heaven, which is reminiscent of Lucifer. Just stop. He's got you roped and tied.

Gracious gestures from you, as always, canadyjd. Here, Here.

While you are infinitely underestimating the One and Only, True and Living God.

In Revelation 20, Satan is Doomed.

Did you miss that?

If so, what could have caused that?

Perfectly applicable as the fulfilment of Jesus' prophecy.

There isn't another.