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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Charlie24, Nov 3, 2024.

  1. percho

    percho Well-Known Member
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    I agree and what was the devil doing in the garden where God put the man? I do not think God was testing the man.
     
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  2. JonC

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    I think Paul was correct with his comparison of Adam's disobedience to God's command with Israel's disobedience to the Law.

    The Law was perfect. The Garden was perfect. But flesh falls short when placed under the perfect.
     
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    Are we to believe Kenneth Wuest’s substandard interpretation of the Bible—or are we to believe the Bible as the Holy Spirit makes it clear to us and has made it clear to countless thousands of Christians who had a much better understand of it than did Wuest.

    Four critical points:

    1. The concept that man has a sin nature does not come from the Bible!

    2. The English word “flesh” is a translation of the Greek word σάρξ, a characteristic of every human being, including Jesus as pertaining to his human nature, which makes human beings susceptible to temptation.

    3. To live in the flesh is to be living in subjection to the desires of flesh, and especially those desires that are in conflict with Christian teaching.

    4. Regarding Romans 6:6:

    We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. (NRSV)​

    The English word “body” is a translation of the Greek word σῶμα expressing the concept of the physical body of human beings in which resides the flesh. Christians are to reckon themselves, their physical bodies along with its temptations, to be dead to sin just as Jesus became dead to all temptations to sin when his physical body died on the cross (Rom. 6:11).
     
  4. Charlie24

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    As I've said before, everyone has to study the Scripture to determine doctrine for themselves.

    Mr. Wuest has only provided what he found and believes, but you are the final judge in your beliefs.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just giving the explanation of where the sin nature came from and where it's found in Scripture for those who already believe in the sin nature.

    If I didn't believe in the sin nature I would have just ignored that thread.
     
  5. Craigbythesea

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    Everyone should study the Scriptures to learn the truth, but some people study the Scripture to determine doctrine for themselves. Unfortunately, Kenneth Wuest did not bother to get either a University or seminary education but only the very limited education offered by a highly sectarian Bible college whose theology is a commingling of dispensationalism and Calvinism and therefore on the distant fringe of reality. Very much of Paul’s ministry was devoted to exposing theological error for what it is and the damage that it can do to it adherents. Christians who have been blessed by God with a good education and who have a solid knowledge of the truth have a solemn obligation before God to follow Paul’s example, especially regarding theological errors that are an egregious mutilation of the truth that he taught.


    Why not share with us what you have learned from your study of the scriptures rather than pass off as the truth the errors that Wuest taught?


    A few of my comments from another thread regarding the meaning of the Greek words:


    By the early 1900’s, the new studies in the lexicography of Koine Greek had become so great in number and significance that Erwin Preuschen published his Greek-German lexicon in 1910. Upon his death in 1920, the revision of his lexicon was entrusted to Walter Bauer and this revision was published in 1928 as the second edition. In 1930, James Hope Mouton and George Milligan independently published The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament. A thoroughly revised edition of the Preuschen lexicon was published in 1937 with only Bauer’s name on the title page. Bauer realized, however, that his lexicon, although a huge improvement over Thayer’s in terms of accuracy and completeness, needed to be thoroughly revised and updated and therefore undertook a thorough search of all Greek literature down to the Byzantine times to determine more precisely the meaning of the words found in the New Testament. This resulted in the publication of the monumental work, Griechisch-Deutsches Wörterbuch zu den Schriften des Neuen Testaments und der übrigen urchristlichen Literatur in 1949-1952. An English translation (by William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich) of this lexicon was published by the University of Chicago in 1957 with the title, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature and became widely known as the “Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich Lexicon.” A second edition was published by the University of Chicago in 1979. A thorough revision by Frederick William Danker was published by the University of Chicago in 2000. It is very commonly referred to simply as “BDAG” and this name appears on the title page in parenthesis below the full title.
     
  6. Charlie24

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    I've shown you what I've learned and agree with.

    I'd like to see what you've learned and I'm sure I'll have some comment!
     
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