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  1. Alan Dale Gross

    Alan Dale Gross Member

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    If it is a falsehood that, "faith is the gift of God", also,
    then;
    "For by grace are ye saved through faith;
    and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
    in Ephesians 2:8,
    along with 2:9, would become something that reads,

    "For by Grace are you saved, it is the gift of God,
    not of yourselves, not of works, lest any man should boast,

    through faith, which is not the gift of God,
    but of yourselves, of works, so any man can boast."

    How far off am I?


     
    #21 Alan Dale Gross, Nov 12, 2024 at 8:35 PM
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    @Alan Dale Gross,
    The gift of God in Ephesians 2:8 is saved.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
     
    #22 37818, Nov 12, 2024 at 10:52 PM
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    So you dont believe Faith is the Gift of God ? Do you believe its of oneself?
     
    #23 Brightfame52, Nov 13, 2024 at 5:21 AM
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    Faith is a number of things.

    It is first essential to know anything.

    It an aspect of the fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22.

    It is one of the gifts of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:9.

    It is given by hearing God's word. John 17:17, Romans 10:17-18, Psalms 19:4.

    So God does give everyone faith. Romans 12:3.

    The gift in Ephesians 2:8 is the salvation. Romans 6:23.

    Your agreement with my understanding is not required.
     
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    So you dont believe Faith is the Gift of God ? Do you believe its of oneself? Im speaking about Salvation Faith, is it a Gift or is it of yourself ?
     
    #25 Brightfame52, Nov 13, 2024 at 12:27 PM
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    You evidently do not hear very well.

    For the record, faith precedes salvation. Hearing the gospel precedes that faith. The gospel comes hearing God's word.
    . . . after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, . . .
    Per Ephesians 1:13
     
    #26 37818, Nov 13, 2024 at 12:40 PM
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    So you dont believe Faith is the Gift of God ? Do you believe its of oneself? Im speaking about Salvation Faith, is it a Gift or is it of yourself ?
     
    #27 Brightfame52, Nov 13, 2024 at 4:24 PM
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    What did I explain? Romans 10:17.
     
    #28 37818, Nov 13, 2024 at 9:04 PM
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    @Brightfame52,
    Do you actually believe people know anything without believing what one knows?
     
    #29 37818, Nov 13, 2024 at 9:12 PM
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    So you dont believe Faith is the Gift of God ? is it from yourself ?
     
    #30 Brightfame52, Nov 14, 2024 at 4:45 AM
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    Is Faith in Salvation of oneself yes or no according to Eph 2:8

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
     
    #31 Brightfame52, Nov 14, 2024 at 4:47 AM
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    Saved, is the that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Those who do not have faith in the Son are lost. 1 John 5:4, For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
     
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    Is Faith in Salvation of oneself yes or no according to Eph 2:8

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
     
    #33 Brightfame52, Nov 14, 2024 at 8:53 AM
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