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The case for Mark 16:16.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Nov 17, 2024 at 11:56 AM.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Mark 16:16, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Teaches two things.
    That believer's water baptism can precede salvation. But does not teach that the believer's.water baptism is necessary in order to be saved. But the believing the gospel is, from verse 15. Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel.

    Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 1:17, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: . . . Showing the baptism was not the requirement for salvation.

    The over all importance is belief in the gospel is essential to precede one's regeneration, being in one's salvation.
     
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    #2 kyredneck, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:20 PM
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    Where did you get that from the text?

    He that believeth (first and foremost) and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Believing always precedes water baptism.
     
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    Yes. Also precedes prayer to be saved too. Romans 10:13-14, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?

    The prayer is not the requirement. But a true promise. As is Mark 16:16, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; . . .
     
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    Actually, the command means exactly what it says to whom it says it and about whom it is said and the proof is the fact that these to whom it is said followed these directions to a T. So, my advice is to define the word "creature" and to consider if it is the operative word in the text.

    Paul, an apostle, would say this later about the creature to a church of the province of Asia..

    Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye (Colossians) have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    Is Paul saying the apostolic mission is accomplished concerning the creature in 60 AD when this letter is written? Every creature under heaven seems to leave no creature out, no?

    It makes me ask the questions, how much of the Bible are we willing to believe and how much effort are we willing to exert for the right answers?
     
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    Are you suggesting that baptism is a requirement for salvation?
     
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    He that believeth not shall be damned. It does not say he that is baptized not shall be damned.

    The emphasis is on believing. Anybody can get baptized but if they have a heart of unbelief then it means nothing.
     
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    Re: Mark 16:15, And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    A case can be made, Paul cites from the long ending of Mark in Colossians 1:23.
     
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    Not at all.

    You seem not to understand what I had explained.
     
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