37818
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Ah, the church at Rome. I was lead to Christ at Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park, California in the year 1962.
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Lydia's Conversion
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Brightfame52
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Paul was interested in preaching the Gospel to them who already had faith, believers, the Gospel is the Power of God only to believers.
Paul avoids unbelievers who dont have faith 2 Thess 3:1-2
Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
37818
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.@Brightfame52,
How do you understand the obtaining of the faith?
Jude wrote, Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
How do you understand the obtaining of the faith?
Jude wrote, Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Nolan Stengel
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So in other words, you think she was regenerate because she observed the law.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Brightfame52
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Im not taking time to explain anything to you, you already dont comprehend what I have already explained.
Brightfame52
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Cant you read ? I just posted why duh
Nolan Stengel
Member
I comprehend what you have said very clearly and I think it is dangerous to mislead others with that type of thinking.
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Nolan Stengel
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If you took the time to read one of the verses the OP stated it would all make sense to you.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Simply worshipping God does no good. How do you not know she could not have been pleasing to God before she came to faith in Christ? Why are you even posting here if you don’t understand the basics?
Brightfame52
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Your thinking is dangerous
Brightfame52
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You still cant read can you ? How can she be said to worship the True God, without Faith in Him ? Duh Thats why God sent here a True Gospel Preacher.
37818
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I do not believe you even understand how we disagree.
1 Corinthians 2:14 says not anything about one's souce of faith.
1 Corinthians 3:1, And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Compare Hebrews 5:12-14.
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Nolan Stengel
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Looks like you win. I can’t compete with that level of intelligence.
Brightfame52
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Again, I wont make any special efforts to explain anything to you, you dont understand the things I have already explained
Brightfame52
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How can she be said to worship the True God, without Faith in Him ? She was just like Cornelius a regenerated man who worshipped God and feared God before he ever heard the Gospel from Peter Acts 10:1-2
There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
See he was regenerated for the simple fact, man in his natural depraved condition doesnt fear God Rom 3:18
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
He had faith in God since God heard and was pleased with his prayers
4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
So God sent him the Gospel, Lydia same thing
37818
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Because the Bible really doesn't teach your incorrect view.
Dave G
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Acts 16:13-14.
The Lord opened her heart, so that she listened to what Paul had to say.
To have one's heart opened in order to listen to God's words, is to be born again...to be the recipient of the new nature in Christ.
To have one's heart of stone towards God, made soft and willing to listen, is to be made the opposite of being dead, spiritually.
My friend, if one does not have "ears to hear" and "eyes to see", one cannot and will not believe and understand God's word ( John 8:43-47 ).
The Lord Jesus told the Jews who did not believe, why they would not, if you'll read it carefully.
Also, one must have the Holy Ghost in order to further understand His words ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 ).
For only by the Spirit of God can we as believers know the things that are freely given to us, by God...
Great and precious promises that accompany the gifts of faith and eternal life.
Another point...The Lord Jesus told us:
" All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him]." ( Matthew 11:27 ).
Here we see that all things are delivered to Him...and no man knows the Father except the Son, and those to whom the Son will reveal Him.
Only those to whom the Father is revealed by the Son, know Him.
Have you not read these things, Nolan?
That no man seeks God on their own ( Romans 3 )?
Paul was very detailed when he wrote about such things to the church at Rome.
The Lord must open someone's heart if they are to do anything other than reject His words out-of-hand.
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