He said it six times in one chapter. The 7000 years corresponds to a week, a day is as 1000 years and 1000 years is as a day. Man, whose number is six, rules for 6000 years. There is therefore a rest remaining to the people of God and that rest is the Sabbath day rest that occurs on the seventh day and last for 1000 years. I am sorry you cannot understand that, but I do understand it and Christ and His church will rule this world for 1000 years.
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The Thousand Year Reign of Christ on the Earth
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Alan Dale Gross
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I hear things like that sometimes about various subjects. I take it as being just one step worse that a total cop out.
And, that is where folks just play right straight into Satan's hand.
You remember, "The Vision of ‘The Souls of Them that Had Been Beheaded for the Testimony of Jesus'.
"The reign of the saints (20: 4-6) In order to arrive at a proper conception of these verses,
we must again go back in our thoughts to the first century ad. Roman persecutions are raging.
Martyrs are calmly laying their heads under the executioner’s sword. Paul had already done this; also James.
Rather than say, ‘The emperor is Lord’, or drop incense on the altar of a pagan priest as a token of worshipping the emperor,
believers confess their Christ even in the midst of the flames and while they are thrown before the wild beasts in the Roman amphitheaters.
"But Christ is not unmindful of His grievously afflicted disciples. He sustains them in order that they may remain faithful to the end.
For that very reason He gives to His sorely-tried Church
the vision of ‘the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus' (1: 2, 9; 6: 9).
Jesus describes these souls—together with those of all departed Christians who had confessed their Lord upon earth—
as Reigning with Jesus in Heaven. He says, in effect, ‘Here below: a few years of suffering: there, in that better land above,
they live and Reign with Christ a thousand years! (Alan's note: THAT'S THE MESAGE!")
’What a comfort! Certainly, the sufferings of this present time are not worthy
to be compared with the Glory which is Revealed to the souls of believers Reigning with their Exalted Lord in Heaven!
"In connection with this ‘thousand year reign’ of verses 4-6 we shall answer three questions.
'First, where does it take place? According to the passage which we are considering it takes place in three places.
(i) The thousand year reign occurs where the thrones are, for we read: ‘And I saw thrones and they sat upon them. ’
Now, according to the entire book of Revelation, the throne of Christ and of His people is invariably in heaven (Rev. 1: 4; 3: 21; 4: 2 if.; etc. ).
(ii) The thousand year reign also occurs where the dis embodied souls of the martyrs are, for we read:
‘And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus. ’
John sees souls, not bodies. He is thinking of souls without bodies, for we read: ‘of them that had been beheaded’.
In this entire passage there is not a single word about a resurrection of bodies. The distinction between soul and body is even emphasized: ‘the souls of them that had been beheaded’.
True, the term ‘souls' at times means ‘people’ (e. g. Gn. 46: 27). But in that case you can substitute the term ‘people’ for ‘souls’.
Here in Revelation 20 you cannot do so. The souls reign during this entire present dispensation until Christ’s second coming.
"Afterwards, it is no longer the souls that Reign, for then body and soul are together again. (Alan's Note:see what happened there?)
"Then the saints Reign, not for a limited though lengthy period—a thousand years—but ‘for ever and ever’ (22: 5).
(iii) The thousand year reign also occurs where Jesus lives, for we read ‘And they lived and reigned with Christ.... ’
The question is, where, according to the Apocalypse, is the place from which the exalted Mediator rules the universe?
"Where does Jesus live? Clearly, it is in heaven. It is in heaven that the Lamb
is represented as taking the scroll out of the hand of Him that sat on the throne (Rev. 5).
"Revelation 12 clearly states that Christ was ‘caught up to God and to his throne... Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell therein’.
"We may safely say, therefore, that the thousand year reign takes place in heaven.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
The significance of it is exactly nothing. But, if that is absolutely all you can get out of the Word of God that you can "understand", so be it.
Since, when?
Is that in Dog Years, or what?
Time with God is irrelevant.
The Bible IS HISTORY!
STARTING POINT: The Annals of the World
The Wonders of Bible Chronology by Philip Mauro
The First Age of the World 4004 to 2346 BC
The Second Age of the World 2348 to 1921 BC
The Third Age of the World 1921 to 1492 BC
The Fourth Age of the World 1491 to 1012 BC
The Fifth Age of the World 1012 to 586 BC
The Sixth Age of the World 587 – 414 BC
Between the testaments
The Seventh Age of the World 4 BC to 70 AD
Bible Chronology: Concluding thoughts
Most people know nothing about Bible chronology. The Bible is a huge book, unread,
but even devotional readers have a challenging time placing the time of the events spread out over the 4074 years it covers.
Add 4074 + 2025 = ________. I believe you have overrun your 6,000 years.
So much for you thinking you knew when Jesus came back.
According to you, in your head, but nothing like that is found anywhere in the Bible.
And your goofy idea of 6,000 years has run its course, years ago.
Viola!, you couldn't be more wrong.
There is nothing you have said to understand.
You're just making wild, rash, guesses at random notions you know nothing about,
other than they exist in your sin-cursed thinking,
WITHOUT GOD AND WITH NO BIBLE FOR SUPPORT.
Your understanding is Null and Void and worthless, like all other works exclusively in the flesh.
You are wasting your time carnally speculating like a little girl dreaming she's a Princess.
God's not in, or interested, in your silly game.
Without God ever having one Word to Say about it.
You're a nut.
No as we hold to Prophecy will be literally fulfilled, buty that we must also take into account the genres of the words used, is it symbolic, lietral, metaphor allegorical etc
The first coming prophecies were literally fulfilled, why not then also the second comings ones?
Can anyone say with 100% certainty when the second event will happen and see all that willbe happening at that time period with absolute certainty?
And why accept the symbolic Revelation view ushered in By Augustine and the Church of Rome for eschatology, when some type of premil viewpoint was held by Majority of ECF before that time?
atpollard
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Isn’t that an appeal to authority fallacy?
He returns to Earth on a white horse with us and rules the nations with a rod of iron for 1000 years the sabbath rest for sll the Earth, prophesied by Isaiah and others, notably Psalm 67.
Romans 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Henceforth, you are avoided.
Are those beheaded symbolically beheaded, not actually? If it can be understood literally, then it is likely literal. Christ will rule Earth, from Jerusalem, 1000 literal years, and we’re getting close.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
The Second Coming?
Each Vision in the Book of Revelation covers the Time Period between Jesus' Two Advents to Earth,
Jesus' First Coming and Jesus' Second Coming: THAT IS AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET.
Same as I said above, if we want to not be an idiot, or at least a Godawful novice,
we need to look to God for an understanding from Him, of WHAT HE WANTS US TO KNOW AND HOW, ETC.
(The Seven Visions run in parallels with one another, covering the exact same Period of Time, each.)
Not the case. All of the writers of The Old Testament and The New Testament, including Jesus
used their own method of Interpretation for all Prophecy, including the Book of Revelation long before either of those two
and we just need to call it "Bible Interpretation", once we make the determination on how they interpreted The End Times, etc.
I don't know that we can grant that, but even if we did, it doesn't matter does it?
Some knew what they were doing regardless, I know, because I've seen them talking right about things in Prophecy.
I'll look them up.
Am I saying some ECF 'didn't know what they were doing' with regard to Prophecy?
How could they, if they held to a Premil Reign of Jesus on Earth, when the Bible holds to no such thing happening on Earth, anywhere?
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
And, I should have said maybe something more like 'novice', which is rude, too, I guess. My bad. I don't know what to do about all that.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
You say, 'will', here...?
I didn't know that you knew that.
Christ 'Has' established a Kingdom, not will...
Colossians 1:13
- "Who hath delivered us from the Power of darkness, and hath translated us into The Kingdom of His dear Son."
- "and He shall reign over the House of Judah for ever, and of His Kingdom there shall be no end."
Matthew 28:18
- "And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, All Power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
- go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
1st Corinthians 15:25
- "For He must reign, until He hath put all enemies under His foot."
- "and again Isaiah saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall rise to reign over the gentiles, in him shall the gentiles trust."
Ephesians 2:6
- "and hath raised us up together, and made us to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."
Luke 1:79
- "To give light to them that sit in darkness, and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the Way of Peace."
- Glory to God in the Highest, and on earth Peace, good will towards men."
- "PEACE I leave with you, My Peace I give to you. Not as the world giveth give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither be afraid."
Luke 1:68
- "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for He has visited and Redeemed His people."
- "But we trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel; and besides all this, today is the third day since these things were done."
- "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."
Why shouldn't the Prophecies of Jesus' Second Coming be fulfilled?
They will be, as long as you know what they are and what they are not.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
"Historic MisconceptionsThere is the common misconception by some Christians that Augustine (Augustin, AD 400) was the author of what is today called the Amillennial view of the kingdom of Christ.
"Others credit Origen (3rd century) as the chief architect of this teaching. But neither of these conclusions are true. We should be careful to understand that the term Amillennial was not known to either Origen or Augustine. While it is true that these people were somewhat instrumental in bringing this teaching back to the forefront of the Church of their day, this doctrine by no means originated with them.
"As we will see, it is straight from the pages of scripture.
"So in the same way that the Reformation was the restoring of doctrines faithful to scripture (not the start of them), likewise Augustine's noted preaching of what the scriptures said about the Kingdom was in response to teaching error. It was not the beginnings of a new teaching, it was the returning to what Christ taught, just as the reformation was.
"What is commonly called Amillennialism is as old as the scriptures themselves.
"And though obviously not known by this name, it has always been the "biblical teachings" of the Church. Of course, man has a penchant to label everything in order to separate (for better or worse), but the truth signified by this label is found clearly on the pages of Holy canon. And not that consensus validates anything, but nearly the entire Protestant Reformation, the faithful revitalizing and restoring of the Church to leaning upon the authority of scripture, took a distinctly Amillennial view of eschatology.
"Looking at the Protestant Churches which grew out of that Reformation, you would never know this by where Protestant eschatology has fallen in our day. Reformation leaders like Martin Luther held to the present kingdom view of the thousand years of Revelation chapter twenty because it was delineated on the pages of scripture. He did not blindly accept it because of Church tradition, he recognized that the millennium reference was to all of New Testament Church history. He found by scripture that it could not refer to a thousand-year earthly event.
"The truth is, Nearly all of the Great Christian Reformers, from John Knox, Ulrich Zwingli, to Philipp Melanchthon (to name a few) understood the scriptures to teach what we today call Amillennialism. These men believed it not because they were taught this, but because they believed in sola scriptura, they were thereby convinced of its sound "scriptural foundation."
"And anyone who insists that nearly all the Reformers were Amillennialists simply because they were blindly following tradition (as some have hypothesized), doesn't really understand much about the Reformation, nor about these reformers.
"Amillennialism was always the majority view of the Historic Protestant Reformed Christian Church. It's only relatively recently that Protestants (to a large degree) have forgotten their Historic Reformation roots which were grounded solidly in "sola scriptura" eschatology. Sadly, most Protestant Churches today have strayed from that faithfulness, and fallen into the snare of Premillennial Dispensationalism, and other unsound doctrines.
Proverbs 22:20
"Remove not the ancient landmarks which thy fathers have set."
"The faithful men of old who wouldn't go beyond the marks or boundaries of what the scriptures said, today, seem rare breeds.
"Church leaders in greater and greater numbers appear to judge by supposition, assumptions and Church tradition. They seem to depend upon what their theological teachers theorize, or judge by what seems right in their own eyes. They have gone outside the boundaries and guide posts of scripture.
"The early Protestant Reformers knew the error of this, and judged the millennial reign between the ancient landmarks of scripture. I.e., they defined it by what was in God's Word, not by popular opinions or books.
"It is not insignificant (as some would have you believe) that the early Reformed Protestant Church almost exclusively held this eschatological view. These were not men who blindly followed tradition (as their break from the Roman Catholic Church demonstrated), and so for detractors to claim that they were merely following Catholic tradition, shows either an inherent ignorance of these men, or an acute bias and lack of Historical objectivity."
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Alan Dale Gross
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Because, you're dead wrong and are incapable of being corrected?
Your division has always been against the Truth. Good bye.
You say "a day is as 1000 years" and then, that Man has a number which is "six".
Somehow you manage to multiply "six" the number of man times 1000
to make 6000 years. Are you saying that the number of man is "six years"?
Then, you say "a day is a thousand years",
to make man's number of "six" years(?) = 6000 years.
Where does the word "rule" come from to be tagged along onto the 6000 years?
But wait, didn't you also say that "1000 is as a day"?
Yep.
So, now we're back to six days.
And God ruled over Creation that He Created in six days.
Are you now saying that man is God?
Why not?
That conclusion is arrived at no differently than the rest of your weird science.
Do the math.
You're out in No Man's Land.
Or rather, just plain old Man's Land without God, obviously.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
That'll be the day, that you could actually point to any evidence of such a thing.
Exactly where is this theory of yours taught? I don't see it.
"In short, I would like my premillennial brothers to reconsider the amillennial approach to the interpretation of OTKP."
- How Shall We Interpret Old Testament Prophecies of the Kingdom of God?
- Why Do the Nations Rage? - Psalm 2
- Let All the Nations Call Him Blessed - Psalm 72
- A Glorious Remnant Covered by Christ - Isaiah 4:2-6
- The Rod of Jesse, a Banner for the Nations - Isaiah 11:1-16
- Prisoners in the Dungeon — Isaiah 24:21-23
- Arise and Shine (Isaiah 60)
- A Nation Born in a Day (Isaiah 66)"
Proper Interpretation of Old Testament Kingdom Prophecy. (OTKP)
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
What is that supposed to mean, in English?
What are talking about?
Literally, the beheaded saints were saints that had been beheaded?
Very good.
...
Then, you dive straight out into space, on a tangent,
and aren't even tethered to Earth, yourself,
and certainly not for one second to the Bible?
1+1=2, therefore, a negative apple equals The White House.
Not very good.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
"Eusebius (d. 340), critiques them (major church fathers who believed in Premillennialism) gives us some insight as to the extent of these beliefs:
"As the quote from Eusebius suggests, after the first couple centuries, Chiliasm was largely superseded by amillennialism. Clement of Alexandria (d. 215), Origen (d. 254), and especially Augustine (d. 430) contributed to establishing amillennialism as the standard view of the church. Augustine believed that the millennium of Revelation 20 referred to the church age:
"the whole time which this book embraces,—that is, from the first coming of Christ to the end of the world, when He shall come the second time,— [...] during this interval, which goes by the name of a thousand years. (City of God, 20.8)"
What view of eschatology did the early church believe?
I have recently been studying eschatology and have been looking at the main views of eschatology. So far, I have found four (I apologize in advance if I have misrepresented your view. I would
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Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult for us to know precisely what the early church taught about eschatology for a few reasons. First, they don't appear to have written much on the subject. Second, we don't have much of what they did write. And third, they do not appear to have been in total agreement with one another.
In support of this third point, I would refer you to the very early discussion of the millennium by Justin Martyr (A.D. 110-165) in his Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 80. Therein, Justin defended the position of Historic Premillennialism, but added that "many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise" (ANF, vol. 1, p. 239).
One example of those who thought otherwise in the early church can be found in Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria. In his Fragments, part 1, chapter 1, Dionysius expresses his disagreement with the doctrine of Nepos that there will be "a (temporal*) reign of Christ upon the earth" (ANF, vol. 6, p. 81).
Eusebius refers to the controversy between Nepos and Dionysius in his Ecclesiastical History, book 7, chapters 24 and 25 (wherein he quotes at length the existing fragments of Dionysius referenced above). Therein, Eusebius stated that Nepos' doctrine had been that "there would be a certain millennium of sensual luxury on this earth" (ch. 24).
*Or as we find it translated by Boyle in Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, "earthly."
With regard to the argument that amillennialism is the biblical doctrine, however, I am in total agreement. The New Testament teaches with incredible regularity that the kingdom of God is now present on earth, and also that it has not yet reached its fullness. This fullness will be obtained only when Christ returns, at which point the resurrection and the last judgment will take place.
A great work on this subject is Herman Ridderbos' The Coming of the Kingdom (P&R, 1962). Based on my understanding that this is the doctrine the Bible teaches, I also believe that it is reasonable to assume that this view was represented in the early church, perhaps being the position of Dionysius and of those "others" mentioned by Justin Martyr.
The RCC did not develop until well into the 300s. The Church government centered in Antioch, Syria and Alexandria, Egypt after being moving out of Jerusalem.
All of the early orthodox writers in the first 100 years apart from Papias (who we can acknowledge was a Chiliast) were non-Chiliast. But a Chiliast and a Premil were 2 completely different animals. I am talking about the grandsons of Jude (1st century), The Didache (A.D. 65-80), Mathetes (A.D 90), The Shepherd of Hermas (written in 88-99 AD), Clement (Died around 99 A.D.), 2 Clement (Early 2nd century), Ignatius (A.D. 98-117), Polycarp (Born AD 68,writes about AD 110, martyred about AD 155), Barnabus (A.D. 70-131), The Ascension of Isaiah (late 1st century to early 2nd century) and Aristides (120-130 AD).
We do not have one single clear or obscure quote teaching any of the following Premillennial fundamentals in the first 100 years after the cross:
1. The very mention of a future 1000 years.
2. The elevation of natural Israel to their old covenant place of favour over all other nations.
3. The restoring of Israel back to her ancient borders.
4. The return of the whole old covenant arrangement.
5. The rebuilding of a brick temple in earthly Jerusalem.
6. The restarting of the mass slaughter of innocent animals on the new earth.
7. The resuscitation of the ancient old covenant priesthood again in a future millennium.
8. Christ’s kingship and kingly reign being suspended until the second coming.
9. The multiplication of carnal pleasures on a future new earth, involving excessive gluttony and the proliferation of procreation in the age to come.
10. The final removal of Satan from heaven at the second coming.
11. The binding of Satan at the second coming.
12. His placement in the abyss for 1000 years after the second coming.
13. The release of Satan 1,000 years+ after the second coming.
14. The revival of Satanism 1,000 years+ after the second coming as the wicked in their billions overrun the Premil millennium.
15. Sin continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
15. Corruption continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
17. The wicked inheriting a future millennial earth.
18. Mortals inheriting a future millennial earth.
19. Decay continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
20. The curse continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
21. Satan operating on a future new earth.
You are requiring "100% certainty" for something that no one is saying that they are even venturing to guess, or even think, about.
Is "100% certainty", the absolute criteria for the beliefs you espouse?
You want "absolute certainty" of what "will happen and see all that will be happening at that time period"? You got it.
Everything John refers to in the Book of Revelation
is what "will happen and see all that will be happening at that time period",
with "absolute certainty", for sure. On point. 100%. Crystal Clear.
Everything God wants us to understand about it all is right there.
If you have a higher standard for what you require to know before you will delve into a different Method of Interpreting End Time Events, that's not a given, by The Lord.
We do know that there seemed to be strong support for some kind of tribulation, antichrist/beast, and premill kingdom reign."Eusebius (d. 340), critiques them (major church fathers who believed in Premillennialism) gives us some insight as to the extent of these beliefs:
"As the quote from Eusebius suggests, after the first couple centuries, Chiliasm was largely superseded by amillennialism. Clement of Alexandria (d. 215), Origen (d. 254), and especially Augustine (d. 430) contributed to establishing amillennialism as the standard view of the church. Augustine believed that the millennium of Revelation 20 referred to the church age:
"the whole time which this book embraces,—that is, from the first coming of Christ to the end of the world, when He shall come the second time,— [...] during this interval, which goes by the name of a thousand years. (City of God, 20.8)"
What view of eschatology did the early church believe?
I have recently been studying eschatology and have been looking at the main views of eschatology. So far, I have found four (I apologize in advance if I have misrepresented your view. I would
Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult for us to know precisely what the early church taught about eschatology for a few reasons. First, they don't appear to have written much on the subject. Second, we don't have much of what they did write. And third, they do not appear to have been in total agreement with one another.
In support of this third point, I would refer you to the very early discussion of the millennium by Justin Martyr (A.D. 110-165) in his Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 80. Therein, Justin defended the position of Historic Premillennialism, but added that "many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise" (ANF, vol. 1, p. 239).
One example of those who thought otherwise in the early church can be found in Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria. In his Fragments, part 1, chapter 1, Dionysius expresses his disagreement with the doctrine of Nepos that there will be "a (temporal*) reign of Christ upon the earth" (ANF, vol. 6, p. 81).
Eusebius refers to the controversy between Nepos and Dionysius in his Ecclesiastical History, book 7, chapters 24 and 25 (wherein he quotes at length the existing fragments of Dionysius referenced above). Therein, Eusebius stated that Nepos' doctrine had been that "there would be a certain millennium of sensual luxury on this earth" (ch. 24).
*Or as we find it translated by Boyle in Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, "earthly."
With regard to the argument that amillennialism is the biblical doctrine, however, I am in total agreement. The New Testament teaches with incredible regularity that the kingdom of God is now present on earth, and also that it has not yet reached its fullness. This fullness will be obtained only when Christ returns, at which point the resurrection and the last judgment will take place.
A great work on this subject is Herman Ridderbos' The Coming of the Kingdom (P&R, 1962). Based on my understanding that this is the doctrine the Bible teaches, I also believe that it is reasonable to assume that this view was represented in the early church, perhaps being the position of Dionysius and of those "others" mentioned by Justin Martyr.
The RCC did not develop until well into the 300s. The Church government centered in Antioch, Syria and Alexandria, Egypt after being moving out of Jerusalem.
All of the early orthodox writers in the first 100 years apart from Papias (who we can acknowledge was a Chiliast) were non-Chiliast. But a Chiliast and a Premil were 2 completely different animals. I am talking about the grandsons of Jude (1st century), The Didache (A.D. 65-80), Mathetes (A.D 90), The Shepherd of Hermas (written in 88-99 AD), Clement (Died around 99 A.D.), 2 Clement (Early 2nd century), Ignatius (A.D. 98-117), Polycarp (Born AD 68,writes about AD 110, martyred about AD 155), Barnabus (A.D. 70-131), The Ascension of Isaiah (late 1st century to early 2nd century) and Aristides (120-130 AD).
We do not have one single clear or obscure quote teaching any of the following Premillennial fundamentals in the first 100 years after the cross:
1. The very mention of a future 1000 years.
2. The elevation of natural Israel to their old covenant place of favour over all other nations.
3. The restoring of Israel back to her ancient borders.
4. The return of the whole old covenant arrangement.
5. The rebuilding of a brick temple in earthly Jerusalem.
6. The restarting of the mass slaughter of innocent animals on the new earth.
7. The resuscitation of the ancient old covenant priesthood again in a future millennium.
8. Christ’s kingship and kingly reign being suspended until the second coming.
9. The multiplication of carnal pleasures on a future new earth, involving excessive gluttony and the proliferation of procreation in the age to come.
10. The final removal of Satan from heaven at the second coming.
11. The binding of Satan at the second coming.
12. His placement in the abyss for 1000 years after the second coming.
13. The release of Satan 1,000 years+ after the second coming.
14. The revival of Satanism 1,000 years+ after the second coming as the wicked in their billions overrun the Premil millennium.
15. Sin continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
15. Corruption continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
17. The wicked inheriting a future millennial earth.
18. Mortals inheriting a future millennial earth.
19. Decay continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
20. The curse continuing unabated on a future millennial earth.
21. Satan operating on a future new earth.
You are requiring "100% certainty" for something that no one is saying that they are even venturing to guess, or even think, about.
Is "100% certainty", the absolute criteria for the beliefs you espouse?
You want "absolute certainty" of what "will happen and see all that will be happening at that time period"? You got it.
Everything John refers to in the Book of Revelation
is what "will happen and see all that will be happening at that time period",
with "absolute certainty", for sure. On point. 100%. Crystal Clear.
Everything God wants us to understand about it all is right there.
If you have a higher standard for what you require to know before you will delve into a different Method of Interpreting End Time Events, that's not a given, by The Lord.
Once the church went heavy off a literal view of Revelation and prophecy to symbolic allegorical l views, then a mil swept in, as became dominants posiion due to Rome enforing that belief, as Augustine equated the Kingdom with Church of Rome
We do know that there seemed to be strong support for some kind of tribulation, antichrist/beast, and premill kingdom reign.
Once the church went heavy off a literal view of Revelation and prophecy to symbolic allegorical l views, then a mil swept in, as became dominants posiion due to Rome enforing that belief, as Augustine equated the Kingdom with Church of Rome