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Where is the Gospel that Saves One's Soul Found?
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John 1.
Must have meant John Chapter 3
Someone explain to me how 1st chapter of John is any less 'potent' than the 3rd chapter of John.
I guess John 3 actually says you must be born again.
John 1 doesn't say that. Just minor insignificant things about salvation like:
>In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
>But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
>We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
>And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Move on quickly to John 3. Nothing to see here. No message about the Lamb, the Messiah, our soul's salvation.
It's literally 'born from above', as in 'born of God' John 1:13, 'born of the Spirit' John 3:8, 'born from Jerusalem above' Gal 4:26. 'begotten of God' 1 John 3:9; 4:7; 5:1,4,18
There is no command or invite to 'get yourself born from above' in John 3 or anywhere else. "The Spirit where He willeth doth blow". Man is totally passive in the birth from above:
| who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13 |
Wrong. I just showed you.
Lol, perhaps you missed this minor insignificant thing?:
| 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. Jn 1 |
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
| 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am. Jn 8 |
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@Dr. Bob:
"Ah, brother, do you not grasp sarcasm?? That is why I proved the point that was being attacked."
I actually suspected that you might have posted 'tongue-in-cheek', but my response was more for the benefit of others who don't know better than for you.
Please forgive me if I offended. No disrespect intended, sincerely.
"Ah, brother, do you not grasp sarcasm?? That is why I proved the point that was being attacked."
I actually suspected that you might have posted 'tongue-in-cheek', but my response was more for the benefit of others who don't know better than for you.
Please forgive me if I offended. No disrespect intended, sincerely.
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Hmm.
. . . as in John 3:3, . . . cannot see the kingdom of God.
As found in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
As in Matthew 18:3, . . . shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
As in Mark 10:15, . . . shall not enter therein.
As in Luke 18:17, . . . shall in no wise enter therein.
So the question in John 3:4 is asked, . . . How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:6, . . . That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7, . . . must be born again.
. . . as in John 3:3, . . . cannot see the kingdom of God.
As found in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
As in Matthew 18:3, . . . shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
As in Mark 10:15, . . . shall not enter therein.
As in Luke 18:17, . . . shall in no wise enter therein.
So the question in John 3:4 is asked, . . . How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:6, . . . That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7, . . . must be born again.
As usual, I've no idea what your point is. All I know about you is that you're adamantly opposed to Sovereign Grace, and that somehow in your mind you believe these passages refute it.
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I didn't oppose anything, in my post you cited.
The lost cannot see or enter God's kingdom.
Let us not be fooled! We do not want to be one of those who will be turned away on that day when men stand before God. The way is narrow, and the road is straight, and FEW be that find it.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Fath which is in heaven.
Verse 22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Verse 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
Our sin has set us all on the road to hell and no amount of good will fix the sin we have done. We have ALL sinned. It is not about the type of sin or how much sin. It is about the fact that we have sinned. For
that reason we all need a Savior.
If we want forgiveness for our sin and peace with God. If we want to escape eternal hell. If we want to go to heaven we must understand the following. We DO NOT get saved (go to heaven), get right with God,
forgiven, by being good, by being religious, by just believing in God, by praying a prayer, being baptized, asking or accepting Jesus into our hearts, accepting Jesus as our personal Saviour, confessing our sins,
joining a church, cleaning up our lives, doing penance, taking the bread and the wine, or doing all these things accumulative.
Salvation is a gift that is given to those who repent and come to faith.
Eph. 2:8 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Salvation takes repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, Acts 20:21. testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Make no mistake. We cannot be a friend of Christ and remain a rebel against God. The word repent, from the Greek word "metanoia", means a change of mind or direction and that change is about our attitude towards God.
God is not receiving those who almost or kind of repents. It is like the word About-face which is a 180-degree turn. We turn from not wanting God fully in our lives to willfully surrendering to Him to lead our lives.
When any person comes to the place where they are broken over their sin toward God to the point that they want to get right with God no matter what it will cost them they are in a state/spirit of repentance toward God.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
We then take that willing heart we have towards God and place it on the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Master and that becomes faith. At that moment God's grace through Christ is freely applied to us and we are born again, saved from eternal hell and sealed by the Spirit so that we will never again return to the practice of sinning. 1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. v.10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
Our first command after salvation is to be baptized. Repentance of sin is the result of the new birth/salvation and will be part of the sanctification process and our new life with the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
While we may sin from time to time after salvation it will never again be our practice 2Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
REV. 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Fath which is in heaven.
Verse 22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Verse 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
Our sin has set us all on the road to hell and no amount of good will fix the sin we have done. We have ALL sinned. It is not about the type of sin or how much sin. It is about the fact that we have sinned. For
that reason we all need a Savior.
If we want forgiveness for our sin and peace with God. If we want to escape eternal hell. If we want to go to heaven we must understand the following. We DO NOT get saved (go to heaven), get right with God,
forgiven, by being good, by being religious, by just believing in God, by praying a prayer, being baptized, asking or accepting Jesus into our hearts, accepting Jesus as our personal Saviour, confessing our sins,
joining a church, cleaning up our lives, doing penance, taking the bread and the wine, or doing all these things accumulative.
Salvation is a gift that is given to those who repent and come to faith.
Eph. 2:8 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Salvation takes repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, Acts 20:21. testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Make no mistake. We cannot be a friend of Christ and remain a rebel against God. The word repent, from the Greek word "metanoia", means a change of mind or direction and that change is about our attitude towards God.
God is not receiving those who almost or kind of repents. It is like the word About-face which is a 180-degree turn. We turn from not wanting God fully in our lives to willfully surrendering to Him to lead our lives.
When any person comes to the place where they are broken over their sin toward God to the point that they want to get right with God no matter what it will cost them they are in a state/spirit of repentance toward God.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
We then take that willing heart we have towards God and place it on the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Master and that becomes faith. At that moment God's grace through Christ is freely applied to us and we are born again, saved from eternal hell and sealed by the Spirit so that we will never again return to the practice of sinning. 1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. v.10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
Our first command after salvation is to be baptized. Repentance of sin is the result of the new birth/salvation and will be part of the sanctification process and our new life with the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
While we may sin from time to time after salvation it will never again be our practice 2Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
REV. 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.