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“The prodigal son and the unjust Steward”

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Ben1445

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Konstantin said:
Can't you read? Where did you read that?
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I went back through and read everything all over again.
My sincere apologies. That answer was intended for Oseas3. In your silence on the matter there have been some crazy sounding comments and I switched the two of you in my mind.
Prophetically, I don’t think there will be any complainers at the marriage supper. I don’t see relevant prophecy there.
But again, I am very sorry for mixing up the two of you.
 
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Oseas3

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David Lamb said:
Sorry, where do we read of God the Father saying to Jesus, " This thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found, It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad?" You mention Revelation 1:18, which says:

“"I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.” (Re 1:18 NKJV)

These are the words of Jesus Christ, not God the Father to Jesus. It certainly doesn't say that the Holy Spirit is the brother of Jesus. You are the only person I have ever come a cross who suggests that The Holy Spirit is Jesus's brother.
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Friend, to understand what JESUS said and says, He is forever and ever, it is necessary, first of all, to have the Spirit of JESUS. It is impossible to understand what JESUS says to those who have not the Spirit of Christ..
 
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Konstantin

Member
David Lamb said:
“"I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.” (Re 1:18 NKJV)
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You are using a corrupted, pagan text. No wonder God does not give you understanding of the prophetic meaning of Bible verses. Here is the inspired text of the Bible:

"I am hee that liueth, and was dead: and behold, I am aliue for euermore, Amen, and haue the keyes of hell and of death." (Rev.1:18)(KJV1611AV)
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Konstantin said:
You are using a corrupted, pagan text. No wonder God does not give you understanding of the prophetic meaning of Bible verses. Here is the inspired text of the Bible:

"I am hee that liueth, and was dead: and behold, I am aliue for euermore, Amen, and haue the keyes of hell and of death." (Rev.1:18)(KJV1611AV)
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Sorry, but the NKJV simply uses the original Greek word hades. Are you claiming that to be Christian rather than pagan, a version has to use spellings like liueth, aliue, euermore, haue and keyes?
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Oseas3 said:
Friend, to understand what JESUS said and says, He is forever and ever, it is necessary, first of all, to have the Spirit of JESUS. It is impossible to understand what JESUS says to those who have not the Spirit of Christ..
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I agree that Jesus Christ is forever and ever, and we need to have His Spirit. But you haven't answered my question, which was: "Sorry, where do we read of God the Father saying to Jesus, " This thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found, It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad?""
 
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Konstantin

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David Lamb said:
Sorry, but the NKJV simply uses the original Greek word hades. Are you claiming that to be Christian rather than pagan, a version has to use spellings like liueth, aliue, euermore, haue and keyes?
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No. I say that you do not know which translation of the Bible is the inspired one. And I say further that neither you nor anyone else alive has ever seen the original Greek texts. The original Author's text is the text KJV1611AV.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Konstantin said:
No. I say that you do not know which translation of the Bible is the inspired one. And I say further that neither you nor anyone else alive has ever seen the original Greek texts. The original Author's text is the text KJV1611AV.
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An inspired translation? I believe the bible as original given by God to be inspired. Translators did not translate under the inspiration of God. Even the KJV translators themselves didn’t claim they had achieved perfection. Their preface to the reader explained that they understood the progression of work on making better translations. They wrote: "Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better." They also wrote: "[There is] no cause . . . why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current [“circulated”], notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolic men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?"
 
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Konstantin

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David Lamb said:
An inspired translation? I believe the bible as original given by God to be inspired. Translators did not translate under the inspiration of God. Even the KJV translators themselves didn’t claim they had achieved perfection. Their preface to the reader explained that they understood the progression of work on making better translations. They wrote: "Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better." They also wrote: "[There is] no cause . . . why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current [“circulated”], notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolic men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?"
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I see. You don't believe that God is the Author of the Bible.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Konstantin said:
I see. You don't believe that God is the Author of the Bible.
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I don't understand how you got that from what I posted. I do fully believe that the bible is God's word, and that He inspired the human authors (Moses, David, Isaiah, Matthew, Paul etc.), so that what they wrote was His truth. What I was saying was that even the KJV translators themselves said that their translation was not perfect, and that translations, however good, are not inspired.
 
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Konstantin

Member
David Lamb said:
I don't understand how you got that from what I posted. I do fully believe that the bible is God's word, and that He inspired the human authors (Moses, David, Isaiah, Matthew, Paul etc.), so that what they wrote was His truth. What I was saying was that even the KJV translators themselves said that their translation was not perfect, and that translations, however good, are not inspired.
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You just admitted that you don't believe God is able to preserve His Word. But He has preserved it in one international language.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Konstantin said:
You just admitted that you don't believe God is able to preserve His Word. But He has preserved it in one international language.
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I haven't admitted anything of the sort. All I said was that even the translators said that their translation was not perfect. God hasn't promised to inspire the translators of the original Greek and Hebrew into English, though I am sure He helped them, and helps translators of the bible into other languages, too.
 
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Konstantin

Member
David Lamb said:
I haven't admitted anything of the sort. All I said was that even the translators said that their translation was not perfect. God hasn't promised to inspire the translators of the original Greek and Hebrew into English, though I am sure He helped them, and helps translators of the bible into other languages, too.
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Scripture speaks of the King James Bible.
 
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Ben1445

Active Member
Well, if your gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
Are you going to answer the question or make it appear that you are pretending to have information that you don’t?
 
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Konstantin

Member
Ben1445 said:
Well, if your gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
Are you going to answer the question or make it appear that you are pretending to have information that you don’t?
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Have you read the work linked in the first post of the topic? There is information there. Did you understand something? It is not I, but God who preserves His words "from this generation" (Psalm 12:7)
 
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