Is God Patient With His Decree?

[Silverhair]

@Ben1445 as I expected @canadyjd did not like your comment so he just dismisses it.

It would seem that he wants to deal with are those that agree with his point of view.

If you read through many of his prior posts you will find that he likes to cherry pick verses out of context in the attempt to support his C/R view.

It is unfortunate that so many of those of the view are unwilling to engage in a proper discussion.

As in his response to me many of the C/R view tend to use Ad Hominem's rather than deal with the comments in the post.

 

[Ben1445]

On the 11th page, it’s probably a good time to close anyway.

 

[canadyjd]

Wonderful idea!!!!

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Wonderful idea!!!!

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

You may not need a lecture but you obviously need someone to point out your lack of understanding of the word of God…

I don’t need a lecture on how to understand the word of God from someone that believes many are saved having never heard the gospel…. Proving they don’t understand what the word of God says.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

I don’t need a lecture on how to understand the word of God from someone that believes many are saved having never heard the gospel…. Proving they don’t understand what the word of God says.

Peace to you

More Ad Hominem's but I have come to expect that from you.

If you disagree then show from scripture why you do.

 

[Reynolds]

When they believe they are His sheep. The focus of the passage is not the sheep. It is the Shepherd. I don’t see anything about non sheep not being chosen. What I do see is that those who are followers of Christ will recognize Him when he calls them to follow. The following that sheep do at that point is not salvation, it is obedience. Salvation is what makes them His. They are bought with His blood. Without the blood applied they are not His and I don’t see them as elect in this passage. Not even by your definition of elect.
When Jesus said this, He had not yet given His life on the cross. At that moment in time there were people who followed Him. All through history there have been some who seek the Lord. As Jesus spoke in the present day He was saying that salvation comes through Him and those who believe in Him follow Him.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.

To others Jesus said “You do not believe because you are not of My sheep”

He didn't say you are not my sheep because you don't believe.
He said you don't believe because you are not my sheep.

 

[Reynolds]

More Ad Hominem's but I have come to expect that from you.

If you disagree then show from scripture why you do.

You have been shown but fail to see.

 

[kyredneck]

To others Jesus said “You do not believe because you are not of My sheep”

He didn't say you are not my sheep because you don't believe.
He said you don't believe because you are not my sheep.

47 He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God. Jn 8

 

[canadyjd]

More Ad Hominem's but I have come to expect that from you.

If you disagree then show from scripture why you do.

I have on many occasions. But no longer toward you.

For me, it’s just too tedious to watch the same old posts, with the same old attacks and falsehoods based on ignorance of God’s Word.

If I believed for a second you desired genuine dialogue, I’d be happy to respond to your posts.

For any other member reading, I’m happy to dialogue with respectful and biblical arguments.

Peace to you

 

[Ben1445]

I don’t need a lecture on how to understand the word of God from someone that believes many are saved having never heard the gospel…. Proving they don’t understand what the word of God says.

Peace to you

Don’t know who said that. I support missionaries who go and tell people that I don’t have opportunity to talk to because it is important that they hear the gospel. It is generally the Calvinist who says that we don’t need to tell anyone because God will get who he wants no matter what.

 

[Ben1445]

To others Jesus said “You do not believe because you are not of My sheep”

He didn't say you are not my sheep because you don't believe.
He said you don't believe because you are not my sheep.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everything one is condemned at the outset.
Because God loves all people in the world, who are made in His image, He sent His son to be a propitiation for all people.

Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

I’ve heard people say that Romans 5 is not for the non-elect, but even the dogs get to lick the crumbs. It was with the unlikely non-elect stranger who Jesus commended for her faith.

And all men in Romans means all men. If it meant all the elect it would have said so.

 

[canadyjd]

Don’t know who said that. I support missionaries who go and tell people that I don’t have opportunity to talk to because it is important that they hear the gospel. It is generally the Calvinist who says that we don’t need to tell anyone because God will get who he wants no matter what.

I was responding to Silverhair.

I do understand there are a small number of hyper Calvinists that believe God will save all elect, whether they hear the gospel or not.

Based on 1 Corinthians 1, and other passages, it is clear in my mind the preaching of the Gospel is the God ordained means by which the elect will come to Christ.

Silverhair is opposed to the Doctrines of Grace, what you call “Calvinism”, and he is the one that has consistently argued the gospel is not necessary for someone to be saved.

Be careful who you “like” on this board.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

To others Jesus said “You do not believe because you are not of My sheep”

He didn't say you are not my sheep because you don't believe.
He said you don't believe because you are not my sheep.

There you go cherry picking verse again which you think support your errant view.

As we all know context and calvinism does not go together.

 

[Silverhair]

You have been shown but fail to see.

What I have been shown by those of the C/R philosophy is a false teaching so I wisely reject it.

 

[Reynolds]

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everything one is condemned at the outset.
Because God loves all people in the world, who are made in His image, He sent His son to be a propitiation for all people.

Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

I’ve heard people say that Romans 5 is not for the non-elect, but even the dogs get to lick the crumbs. It was with the unlikely non-elect stranger who Jesus commended for her faith.
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And all men in Romans means all men. If it meant all the elect it would have said so.

The two alls are parsllelism.
If the second all was literally "all" then all men would be justified and no one would go to hell.

 

[Reynolds]

What I have been shown by those of the C/R philosophy is a false teaching so I wisely reject it.

You say "wisely" , I say something else.

 

[Silverhair]

I have on many occasions. But no longer toward you.

For me, it’s just too tedious to watch the same old posts, with the same old attacks and falsehoods based on ignorance of God’s Word.

If I believed for a second you desired genuine dialogue, I’d be happy to respond to your posts.

For any other member reading, I’m happy to dialogue with respectful and biblical arguments.

Peace to you

You do not and have never wanted to deal with scripture in context. For you it is always out of context verses, twisted meanings of words.

You have been shown the truth from the word of God yet you hold to that pagan philosophy of the DoG/TULIP.

 

[Aaron]

As the bible says the gospel is the power of God for salvation for all that hear and believe.

ay, there's the rub

Belief isn't a choice, it's a state of being.

 

[Silverhair]

You say "wisely" , I say something else.

Of course you do as I do not support your false philosophy which is based on pagan teachings.

Have you ever checked out where those views you so proudly trumpet came from? You can not say from scripture as they are not found there.