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What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance !

Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



False, all people are not special to God, He has a chosen People that are special to Him Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

This corresponds to His Chosen People in Christ, whom He Loved Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The church is a special people to God. Now that word special in Deut 7:6 is the hebrew word sᵊḡullâ:
  1. possession, property
    1. valued property, peculiar treasure
    2. treasure

Thats how the chosen in Christ are to Him, in Titus 2:14 the redeemed church is a peculiar people Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Peculiar here περιούσιον :
  1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
    1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

The special people of God are selected out from other nations
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So are you now saying that when God loves the world He really does not mean He loves the world? When He gave His son to dies for the whole world He did not love the world?

I love my wife and she is special to me but your saying, what, that God's love is somehow different

You are working way to hard to deny the love of God for His creation.

You have lost your way.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You are resisting the Truth, as always
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How am I resisting the truth BF? I just asked you a straight forward question that you should be able to answer, but I doubt that you will.

You afraid of the truth because you it will punch a hole in your carefully crafted religion.

You will just post a non answer because you know what the result will be if you are truthful.

Question for you BF, when you are in Christ are you saved?
If you say NO then you do not understand your bible. If you say YES then you are claiming that you were saved B4 creation which is not biblical.
 
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Brightfame52

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@Silverhair


It is obvious that you have not thought through what you just posted BF.
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Thats you my friend, Peter preached that Repentance is given to Israel Elect, not a condition. Also Israel is not national israel, Its His Body the Church which Israel also includes Gentiles Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Dont take what Grace gives people and turn them into conditions they must perform to get saved. Thats false witnessing, and taking away from the Grace of Christ
 
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Brightfame52

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@Silverhair

So are you now saying that when God loves the world He really does not mean He loves the world?
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Where did this false accusation come from ? The world God Loves is His Chosen. Whenever Gods Love for a people is mentioned, its His Chosen, Love and Chosen go hand and hand. God has one exclusive Love, and its in Christ Jesus for His Elect Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Not chosen in Christ Jesus Eph 1:4 then not Loved by God, its not even possible
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



Where did this false accusation come from ? The world God Loves is His Chosen. Whenever Gods Love for a people is mentioned, its His Chosen, Love and Chosen go hand and hand. God has one exclusive Love, and its in Christ Jesus for His Elect Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Not chosen in Christ Jesus Eph 1:4 then not Loved by God, its not even possible
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It is not a false accusation BF. You continue to deny clear scripture. Your lost my friend, your lost.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair




Thats you my friend, Peter preached that Repentance is given to Israel Elect, not a condition. Also Israel is not national israel, Its His Body the Church which Israel also includes Gentiles Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Dont take what Grace gives people and turn them into conditions they must perform to get saved. Thats false witnessing, and taking away from the Grace of Christ
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You continue to hold to a religion that has it's roots in pagan philosophy.

It was false from the start and it continues to be a false teaching.

The word of God teaches the Grace of God, the C/R religion does not.
 
Wesley Briggman

Wesley Briggman

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Brightfame52 said:
So its no doubt that sound Gospel preaching includes repentance. However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them ! They are in essence saying that everything Christ did for them in His Person and Work fell short in making them righteous/justified before God.
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Who is "they"?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
You continue to hold to a religion that has it's roots in pagan philosophy.

It was false from the start and it continues to be a false teaching.

The word of God teaches the Grace of God, the C/R religion does not.
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Peter preached repentance as a gift given by Christ, not a condition
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Silverhair said:
There's the boast right there David, you think you were so special that you were chosen B4 the foundation of the world.

That is not biblical but you continue too claim that you were.
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But you wrote that in answer to my post in which I specifically said that I don't think I'm special, and that as God's choice was made "before the foundation of the world," long before I was born, it could give me not the slightest reason for boasting. It's all of Christ.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Silverhair said:
David the error is when you add the words "to be" to the text. God did not chose us "to be" in Him before the foundation of the world.

Those that think they were chosen to "be in" Him are boasting that they are special.
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I did not add "to be" to the text. Here is what I wrote:

"But the verse in question says:

“just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:4 NKJV)

How can "chose us" mean "chose the means of salvation?""

The words "to be" are just not there.

Matthew Poole in his commentary on Ephesians 1:4 says:

"In him; either:

1. By and through Christ, (as in the former verse), for his sake, and upon the account of his merit as the procuring cause, not of our election, but sanctification; q.d. God hath chosen us, that we should be made holy and unblamable by Christ. Or rather:

2. In Christ, as the foundation on which he would build us, (his spiritual house), and by which both we might be united to God, and he communicate his influence and grace to us; or as our Head, by which he might convey grace, and strength, and life to us as Christ’s members."
 
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Brightfame52

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David Lamb said:
But you wrote that in answer to my post in which I specifically said that I don't think I'm special, and that as God's choice was made "before the foundation of the world," long before I was born, it could give me not the slightest reason for boasting. It's all of Christ.
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Its very difficult to think you are special when God chose you in Christ b4 the foundation, b4 anyone had being, b4 you were given knowledge of your salvation, and the choice was one of grace Election of Grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So our election was unmerited/undeserved because we were ungodly. Rom 5:6

6 For when we[the elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Brightfame52 said:
Its very difficult to think you are special when God chose you in Christ b4 the foundation, b4 anyone had being, b4 you were given knowledge of your salvation, and the choice was one of grace Election of Grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So our election was unmerited/undeserved because we were ungodly. Rom 5:6

6 For when we[the elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
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Yes, I fully agree!
 
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