Brightfame52
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You entitled to your opinion
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The False Gospel of Arminianism
- Thread starter KenH
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I have felt God's presence....
Catholic
GARBC Baptist
Freewill Baptist
Pentecostal Holiness
As far as salvation the Apostle Paul says... If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9. Therefore the basics of salvation are...
1. Confess Jesus
2. Believe that he died for you
As far as these doctrinal squabblings there is simply no profit or Holy Spirit in them. In which Paul admonished Titus...
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:8-9
Catholic
GARBC Baptist
Freewill Baptist
Pentecostal Holiness
As far as salvation the Apostle Paul says... If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9. Therefore the basics of salvation are...
1. Confess Jesus
2. Believe that he died for you
As far as these doctrinal squabblings there is simply no profit or Holy Spirit in them. In which Paul admonished Titus...
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:8-9
I don't think it's a foolish question. Who better to ask what a Hyper-Calvinist is than a Calvinist who will discuss it?
If someone asked me about the extreme IFB, being that I'm one of them, I would be fine with discussing their characteristics.
I'm not one of the extreme ones but know lots of them.
KenH
Well-Known Member
"Ultimately, if you affirm that every aspect of salvation is accomplished entirely by Christ alone because of God’s sovereign grace alone and experienced solely through the gift of faith, you will probably at some point in your life be labeled a hyper-calvinist." - Brandan Kraft
- rest of Brandan's article at Confession of a Hyper-Calvinist - Brandan Kraft
I was hoping for a more focused definition of Hyper-Calvinism.
So are you trying to say there is no such thing as a Hyper-Calvinist?
Just asking a simple question, do Calvinists recognize Hyper-Calvinism or is the term in their opinion nonexistent?
KenH
Well-Known Member
I think that Brandan defines what is called "hyper-calvinism" quite well in the article.
I didn't read the article, only your highlight.
I will read it, maybe that will answer my question.
The article is basically sarcasm toward Hyper-Calvinism, so I'll take it that Hyper-Calvinism doesn't exist in the mind of a Calvinist.
I guess that it's an insult and not appreciated.
Hyper Calvinists go beyond the five points. Most common characteristic is do not evangelize and do not believe man has any degree of human agency.
As far as I know I've never met a Calvinist that seen no need to evangelize, but I've heard they do exist.
I could definitely see that as Hyper.
A lot of them evangelize. D James Kennedy developed Evangelism explosion. John Macarthur is very evangelistic. Matt Chandler, J.D. Greear, Al Mohler.
In all honesty,I don't know any Calvinists who are any less evangelistic than non Calvinists.
I believe and have always have believed that Calvinists whose faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ are saved.
What bothers me is that some I have conversation with believe because of their Election they have no responsibility in their relationship with the Lord, or to remain in the faith, it's all taken care of for them by Election.
Of course the Calvinists believe in OSAS, it's the end result of the 5 points, and that's where the danger lies. The Election has taken care of everything, and now they begin to become complacent in the Lord.
The Scripture gives so many warning of drifting away from Christ and we don't even realize it's happening. That's my concern for the Calvinists.
I don't hate them, as some suppose, I'm concerned for them.
I agree, there are a bunch of nutty Calvinists at the hyper end of the spectrum. Some of the nuttiest Christians I have ever run into are at the hyper end of Arminianism. I like discussing this stuff online, but in real life, you would never know I am a Calvinist unless we happened to be discussing specific Bible passages.
One of my good friends ran into me in Walmart last night. He was telling me all about how he had come to the conclusion that “God chose us we dodnt choose Him.” I told him, you don’t have to try to sell me on it, I am a Calvinist. He said “You? A Calvinist. “. I said yes I am, but I feel no need to try to convert other saved people to Calvinism.
I certainly won't deny the extremes in the IFB, I could tell some stories but I'd rather just let it go, eventually they have a way of telling themselves.
I guess if we wait to find the perfect Church we'll stay at home, and never find one.
Only Hyper Calvinism would hold to that view though
The Elect are not justified and saved until placed into Christ and sealed by the Holy Spirit
But not saved in this life until received Jesus as Lord and Savior thru faith alone
Brightfame52
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Sounds like error to me