Re: Mark 16:9-20 being Holy Scripture.

[37818]

. . . she did not go back to the tomb with Peter and John . . . .

Again, your wrong view.

John 20:11, But Mary stood without at the sepulchre . . .

 

[Conan]

Church Father's who knew Mark 9:9-20.

Taken from Scrivener . Almost halfway down the page.

The Ending of Mark (Mark 16:9-20)

It is cited, possibly by Papias, unquestionably by Irenaeus (both in Greek and Latin), by Tertullian, and by Justin Martyr 8 as early as the second century; by Hippolytus (see Tregelles, An Account of the Printed Text, p. 252), by Vincentius at the seventh Council of Carthage, by the Acta Pilati, the Apostolic Constitutions, and apparently by Celsus in the third; by Aphraates (in a Syriac Homily dated A.D. 337), the Syriac Table of Canons, Eusebius, Macarius Magnes, Didymus, the Syraic Acts of the Apostles, Leontius, Ps.-Ephraem. Jerome, Cyril of Jerusalem, 9 Epiphanius, Ambrose, Augustine, Chrysostom, in the fourth; by Leo, Nestorius, Cyril of Alexandria, Victor of Antioch, Patricius, Marius Mercator, in the fifth; by Hesychius, Gregentius, Prosper, John, abp. of Thessalonica, and Modestus, in the fifth and sixth. 10 Add to this, what has been so forcibly stated by Burgon (ubi supra, p. 205), that in the Calendar of Greek Church lessons, which existed certainly in the fourth century, very probably much earlier, the disputed verses were honoured by being read as a special matins service for Ascension Day (see p. 81), and as the Gospel for St. Mary Magdalene's Day, July 22 (p. 89); as well as by forming the third of the eleven ευαγγελια αναστασιμα εωθινα, the preceding part of the chapter forming the second (p. 85): so little were they suspected as of even doubtful authenticity

 

[KJB1611reader]

Church Father's who knew Mark 9:9-20.

Taken from Scrivener . Almost halfway down the page.

The Ending of Mark (Mark 16:9-20)

It is cited, possibly by Papias, unquestionably by Irenaeus (both in Greek and Latin), by Tertullian, and by Justin Martyr 8 as early as the second century; by Hippolytus (see Tregelles, An Account of the Printed Text, p. 252), by Vincentius at the seventh Council of Carthage, by the Acta Pilati, the Apostolic Constitutions, and apparently by Celsus in the third; by Aphraates (in a Syriac Homily dated A.D. 337), the Syriac Table of Canons, Eusebius, Macarius Magnes, Didymus, the Syraic Acts of the Apostles, Leontius, Ps.-Ephraem. Jerome, Cyril of Jerusalem, 9 Epiphanius, Ambrose, Augustine, Chrysostom, in the fourth; by Leo, Nestorius, Cyril of Alexandria, Victor of Antioch, Patricius, Marius Mercator, in the fifth; by Hesychius, Gregentius, Prosper, John, abp. of Thessalonica, and Modestus, in the fifth and sixth. 10 Add to this, what has been so forcibly stated by Burgon (ubi supra, p. 205), that in the Calendar of Greek Church lessons, which existed certainly in the fourth century, very probably much earlier, the disputed verses were honoured by being read as a special matins service for Ascension Day (see p. 81), and as the Gospel for St. Mary Magdalene's Day, July 22 (p. 89); as well as by forming the third of the eleven ευαγγελια αναστασιμα εωθινα, the preceding part of the chapter forming the second (p. 85): so little were they suspected as of even doubtful authenticity

Good job.

 

[Van]

Again, your wrong view.

John 20:11, But Mary stood without at the sepulchre . . .

she did not go back to the tomb with Peter and John before the women saw Jesus, because she was with the women who told the eleven and they did not believe

Editing posts to misrepresent others is not edifying.

 

[37818]

she did not go back to the tomb with Peter and John before the women saw Jesus, because she was with the women who told the eleven and they did not believe

Editing posts to misrepresent others is not edifying.

Repeating a falsehood will not make it true against what is true.

Mark 16:9, . . . appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . .

 

[Van]

Repeating a falsehood will not make it true against what is true.

Mark 16:9, . . . appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . .

What, no apology for falsely claiming I denied Mary Magdalene saw Jesus.
You did not acknowledge Mary Magdalene was with the women reporting to the disciples, thus after some of the women saw Jesus.

 

[37818]

What, no apology for falsely claiming I denied Mary Magdalene saw Jesus.
You did not acknowledge Mary Magdalene was with the women reporting to the disciples, thus after some of the women saw Jesus.

Do you or do you not deny Mary M was the first to see the risen Jesus?

 

[Van]

Do you or do you not deny Mary M was the first to see the risen Jesus?

Answering a question with a question. And I have answered that question several times.

You did not acknowledge Mary Magdalene was with the women reporting to the disciples, thus after some of the women saw Jesus.

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[37818]

@Van,
Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . .

 

[Van]

@Van,
Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . .

Still, no answer to how Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene after she returned with disciples, when some women saw Jesus BEFORE they told the disciples, with Mary Magdalene being with the group that told the disciples. It is a lock and no matter how many times you avoid this truth, it remains, such that Mark 16:9-20 is called into question.

 

[Van]

Church Father's who knew Mark 9:9-20.

Taken from Scrivener . Almost halfway down the page.

The Ending of Mark (Mark 16:9-20)

It is cited, possibly by Papias, unquestionably by Irenaeus (both in Greek and Latin), by Tertullian, and by Justin Martyr 8 as early as the second century; by Hippolytus (see Tregelles, An Account of the Printed Text, p. 252), by Vincentius at the seventh Council of Carthage, by the Acta Pilati, the Apostolic Constitutions, and apparently by Celsus in the third; by Aphraates (in a Syriac Homily dated A.D. 337), the Syriac Table of Canons, Eusebius, Macarius Magnes, Didymus, the Syraic Acts of the Apostles, Leontius, Ps.-Ephraem. Jerome, Cyril of Jerusalem, 9 Epiphanius, Ambrose, Augustine, Chrysostom, in the fourth; by Leo, Nestorius, Cyril of Alexandria, Victor of Antioch, Patricius, Marius Mercator, in the fifth; by Hesychius, Gregentius, Prosper, John, abp. of Thessalonica, and Modestus, in the fifth and sixth. 10 Add to this, what has been so forcibly stated by Burgon (ubi supra, p. 205), that in the Calendar of Greek Church lessons, which existed certainly in the fourth century, very probably much earlier, the disputed verses were honoured by being read as a special matins service for Ascension Day (see p. 81), and as the Gospel for St. Mary Magdalene's Day, July 22 (p. 89); as well as by forming the third of the eleven ευαγγελια αναστασιμα εωθινα, the preceding part of the chapter forming the second (p. 85): so little were they suspected as of even doubtful authenticity

Yes, the questionably validity of Mark 16:9-20 is in dispute, with some early historians throwing cold water on the passage as others, see above, seeming to think it is valid. But the fact remains, today some scholars believe the passage is valid, whereas, the majority of scholars believe it is questionable.

I have provided several of the reasons why most scholars question its valid. No one has explained Mary Magdalene being said to be first to see Jesus in Mark 16:9, when she saw Jesus after she returned with the disciples, when others saw Jesus before they reached the disciples.

 

[37818]

Still, no answer to how Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene after she returned with disciples, when some women saw Jesus BEFORE they told the disciples, with Mary Magdalene being with the group that told the disciples. It is a lock and no matter how many times you avoid this truth, it remains, such that Mark 16:9-20 is called into question.

Jesus appeared to Mary M before Jesus appeared to the unnamed women.
John 20:14, . . . she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, . . .
This would be before Matthew 28:9 per Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . . .

Best Gospel Harmonies affirm.

 

[Van]

Jesus appeared to Mary M before Jesus appeared to the unnamed women.
John 20:14, . . . she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, . . .
This would be before Matthew 28:9 per Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . . .

Best Gospel Harmonies affirm.

Good Grief, John NEVER says Mary Magdalene saw Jesus first!!!

She has returned with Peter and John, so that would not be before the women, including Mary Magdalene, reported to the disciples.

 

[37818]

Good Grief, John NEVER says Mary Magdalene saw Jesus first!!!

God's word in Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . . That is what I cited.

Again, the best Gospel Harmonies affirm. John 20:14 before Matthew 28:9.

 

[Van]

God's word in Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . . That is what I cited.

Again, the best Gospel Harmonies affirm.

Lets see, the best Harmonies agree with you, and the rest as not the best .

No, the women left the tomb and were running to report to the disciples, when they encountered Jesus. Matthew 28:8. This would be before they reported to the disciples, with Mary Magdalene still with them, Luke 24:10-12.

Note folks, this poster continues to ignore the argument that Mark 16:9 does not mesh with the other gospel accounts.

 

[37818]

Lets see, the best Harmonies agree with you, and the rest as not the best .

No, the women left the tomb and were running to report to the disciples, when they encountered Jesus. Matthew 28:8. This would be before they reported to the disciples, with Mary Magdalene still with them, Luke 24:10-12.

Note folks, this poster continues to ignore the argument that Mark 16:9 does not mesh with the other gospel accounts.

God's word in Mark 16:9, . . . he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . . That is what I cited.

Again, the best Gospel Harmonies affirm. John 20:14 before Matthew 28:9.

 

[Van]

Tthe women left the tomb and were running to report to the disciples, when they encountered Jesus. Matthew 28:8. This would be before they reported to the disciples, with Mary Magdalene still with them, Luke 24:10-12.

Note folks, this poster continues to ignore the argument that Mark 16:9 does not mesh with the other gospel accounts.

 

[37818]

. . . with Mary Magdalene still with them, . . .

Luke 24:2-3, . . . And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
What Luke (Matthew, Mark) did not report Mary M had ran off upon seeing the stone rolled away.
See John 20:1-2.

 

[Van]

Luke 24:2-3, . . . And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
What Luke (Matthew, Mark) did not report Mary M had ran off upon seeing the stone rolled away.
See John 20:1-2.

We have been through all this before, and you continue to avoid the issue. Did anyone say Mary Magdalene was with the women when they encountered Jesus? Nope. What scripture says is Mary Magdalene was with the women when they reported to the disciples. Thus the women saw Jesus before Mary Magdalen returned to the empty tomb with Peter and John and saw Jesus.

 

[37818]

We have been through all this before, and you continue to avoid the issue. Did anyone say Mary Magdalene was with the women when they encountered Jesus? Nope. What scripture says is Mary Magdalene was with the women when they reported to the disciples. Thus the women saw Jesus before Mary Magdalen returned to the empty tomb with Peter and John and saw Jesus.

No. Mary M saw Jesus' before the other women.