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Any see current middle east events fulfilling any Prophesy ?
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Replacement Theology Baloney.
You can't blame Israel. Zionism is the existance of a Jewish state. The opposite of Zionism is driving the nation of Israel the right to exist. They can't be blamed for wanting to exist.
As far as the US goes, Israel is of our national interest (for strategic purposes). That should be the extent of our concern.
Anyway....you were called out for "replacement theology".
The way I understand Scripture the "true Jew' is Christian and Gentiles were "grafted in" to those people.
Is your view "replacement theology"?
Think while Israel at times have gone beyond what was required, they have been fighting anti sematic demonic religion that wants to see them all killed off in another Holocausts
Remember how God fulfilled prophecy to regather them back together as a people after WW II?
Think that national Israel is has been fulfilling OT Prophecies since 1948, but that the Jews no longer have in effect any Old Covenant to save them, as any and all saved Jews must be under their promised messiah Yeshua now period
All Jews saved now must come unto Lord Yeshua, and trust in Him and be now part of the New Covenant, as their Old Covenant relationship is now null and void since Jesus death and resurrection event
Who says they have to live in Palestine?
But Sheldon had a thought:
That's completely false. Less than 7% of the land we call Israel was purchased by Jewish immigrants by 1948. All of what is called Israel now was merely taken by war or by expulsion of the Palestinians.
Nice try. Not the same thing at all, and you know it.
Yes, yes, yes. Meaning, that the law, which was ADDED, could not cancel the actual Promise made, of which circumcision was the sign and seal. The Promised Seed was Christ. It was always God's will that His Son would offer Himself as the sacrifice for sins. The law that was added later was only pattern and model to teach us about the nature of that sacrifice.
Not replacement. Maturity. It's only replacement as far as a butterfly replaces the caterpillar.
I do trust the word of God. You're just ignorant of it.
It's not replacement theology. It's a theology of maturity. Israel under the law was a child. The Israel of God under grace is a man. The Olive Tree was never cut down. It was just pruned of her dead and unfruitful branches. Fruitful wild branches have been grafted in, and now the tree has flowered and is bearing much fruit.
God didn't plant a lot wild trees around the natural one. He grafted them in to it. All part of that one Root, and one structure, one faith, one baptism.
*sigh*
I remember how God fulfilled prophecy through His Son, and the birth of a nation of priests and kings.
Welp, they're getting out their anti-semitism cudgels. Handy weapons to have when one is all out of arguments. It's especially effective when Holocaust guilting is applied.
So, you win!
But do you hold "replacement theology" and if so what's the difference between that and my view (that the true Jew is Christians and Gentiles were grafted in)?Welp, they're getting out their anti-semitism cudgels. Handy weapons to have when one is all out of arguments. It's especially effective when Holocaust guilting is applied.
So, you win!
I can't see how a Christian could deny that Christianity is a fulfillment of the Hebrew faith, and that non-Jews were included in this faith while those Jews who reject Christ are excluded.
I guess I don't see two different peoples of God in the Bible. Either one is a Christian (a "true Jew") or one is not.
True Jew per the Bible would be saved ones, true Heirs of Abraham, that term "true Jew" does not refer to us as saved gentiles though
The official name is Covenant Theology. According to what I'm reading in your post, I don't see a difference. But instead of replacement, it should be described as maturity.
Like I said to someone else, Israel under the law is a child. Israel under Christ is a man.
However, not even the Jewish faith is about being Hebrew. Though the term is used both ways in the New Testament, an Israelite is one that is circumcised. Even the non-Hebrew among them, if he is circumcised, he was considered as much of the house of Israel as one that was natural born. (There was no court of the gentiles in the revealed pattern of the Tabernacle.)
Then what were we "grafted" in to?
I agree (not necessarily Covenant Theology but with the issue of Israel during the Law and at a mature state). I often use "Hebrew faith" to distinguish it from Jewish faith (Judiasm developing after the destruction of the Temple).
"Maturity" is a great description. It is what the writer of Hebrews uses.
I was reading in Genesis as I read this thread and also noticed that non-Hebrews who were circumcised were included and Hebrews who were not circumcised were excluded....along with Arabs also being physical descendants of Abraham (but not Israelites).
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atpollard
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Originally, God ordered Joshua to cross a river.
In the late 19th and early 20th Century ... European antisemitism.
[Most European nations wanted Jews out of their countries for political reasons. Following a series of Russian Pogoms around WW1, the Balfour Declaration of 1917 established the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine (formerly of the Ottoman Empire). The Nazi holocaust was followed by mass illegal immigration of Jews to Palestine to escape to a new home, the abandonment of Palestine by the British and the UN partition plan.]
That is how Israel got there.
A far more interesting question is "How did the Arab Palestinians get there?"
(Hint: Ethnically speaking, the Ottoman Empire was Persian rather than Arab and the original 'Palestinian' population was "Semitic" Samaritans rather than Arabs. History is a funny thing.)
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5 point Gillinist
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God's sovereignty.
How fitting that you gather your corrections to God’s plan for Israel from a garbage dump program that denies God as Creator as it’s title. That explains a lot.
I didn’t say it was all purchased in 1948.
You make a good proselyte of the Palestinian propaganda organization.
It absolutely is the same thing. You are dishonest with yourself. You deny that the land you are on used to be the property of native Americans? You think that they established the reservations? You think that the US government treated them right?
You don’t have a promise of your land given to you by God. In that, it is different.
Since the land of Israel is actually yours because of the better covenant, when do you plan to go in and possess the land? When will you stop wandering in the wilderness?
Go take possession of the land that was made perfect by your bringing up the tail end of the better covenant.
Genesis 13:15
For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
Because for ever doesn’t mean forever to you??
Exodus 6:8
And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie;
neither the son of man, that he should repent:
hath he said, and shall he not do it?
or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1 Samuel 15:29
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.