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Any see current middle east events fulfilling any Prophesy ?

Aaron

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How fitting that you gather your corrections to God’s plan for Israel from a garbage dump program that denies God as Creator as it’s title. That explains a lot.
That's just it. It's not God's plan.

I didn’t say it was all purchased in 1948.
LOL. You said everything that wasn't taken in war was purchased. But only 7% was purchased by migrants. 56% was gained by the expulsion of the (which I call theft), and the rest by war with the might of American Arms and foreign aid. I call that theft, too.

You make a good proselyte of the Palestinian propaganda organization.
:Roflmao Don't blame me that you couldn't Google or Copilot to verify your assertions before making them.

It absolutely is the same thing. You are dishonest with yourself. You deny that the land you are on used to be the property of native Americans? You think that they established the reservations? You think that the US government treated them right?
You don’t have a promise of your land given to you by God. In that, it is different.
Since the land of Israel is actually yours because of the better covenant, when do you plan to go in and possess the land? When will you stop wandering in the wilderness?
Go take possession of the land that was made perfect by your bringing up the tail end of the better covenant.
The claims are wholly different. If Palestine were unsettled, if there were no institutions of science, education or law, if they were making human sacrifices to pagan idols, you might begin to make a case.

Fun fact, many jews had settled in Palestine during the 19th century, and were living quite nicely and unmolested. There were Jewish populations in Iran numbering in the tens of thousands prior to the UN resolution of 1948, and even then they had no desire to migrate. In fact, half the estimated global Jewish population, are quite content to stay where they're at. The early Zionists were a fringe sect.

And before you bring the Holocaust into it, the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate predate Hitler's election to the chancellery by twenty years. Zionism is not a Holocaust thing.

Anyway, my main concern are the theological offenses employed to justify a jewish state in Palestine.

Genesis 13:15
For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
Galatians 3:16b - He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Because for ever doesn’t mean forever to you??
As forever as circumcision.

Romans 2:28-29 - For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

Aaron

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Originally, God ordered Joshua to cross a river.

In the late 19th and early 20th Century ... European antisemitism.
[Most European nations wanted Jews out of their countries for political reasons. Following a series of Russian Pogoms around WW1, the Balfour Declaration of 1917 established the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine (formerly of the Ottoman Empire). The Nazi holocaust was followed by mass illegal immigration of Jews to Palestine to escape to a new home, the abandonment of Palestine by the British and the UN partition plan.]

That is how Israel got there.

A far more interesting question is "How did the Arab Palestinians get there?"
(Hint: Ethnically speaking, the Ottoman Empire was Persian rather than Arab and the original 'Palestinian' population was "Semitic" Samaritans rather than Arabs. History is a funny thing.)
And after the Babylonian exile, God regathered His people, and made a new covenant with them. He built a new house out of living stones, moved in, then tore down His old house in 70AD. The Son of David is now King of kings, and Lord of lords.

Promise kept.
 

5 point Gillinist

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Providence, no doubt. But Providence has Kim Jong Un in power in Korea, and Xi Jinping in China. And had the phony president Biden in office too. Providence brought Africans over as slaves.
Arguably Providence placed Adolf Hitler into power so that the world would be more sympathetic to restore the Jews to their homeland.
 

atpollard

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And after the Babylonian exile, God regathered His people, and made a new covenant with them. He built a new house out of living stones, moved in, then tore down His old house in 70AD. The Son of David is now King of kings, and Lord of lords.

Promise kept.
Interestingly, I heard just this past Sunday that God never actually commanded the building of an earthly temple. King David wanted to and King Solomon was permitted to, but God never commanded a temple be built. I have not had time to fact check that yet, but I found it an interesting statement.
 

Aaron

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Interestingly, I heard just this past Sunday that God never actually commanded the building of an earthly temple. King David wanted to and King Solomon was permitted to, but God never commanded a temple be built. I have not had time to fact check that yet, but I found it an interesting statement.
That's true. Yet the cloud filled the temple when Solomon had the Ark moved into the holy place. And after Solomon's dedication, God said, I have hallowed this house which you have built, to put my name there.

And Christ had a zeal for God's house, which Herod had built.
 

Ben1445

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Interestingly, I heard just this past Sunday that God never actually commanded the building of an earthly temple. King David wanted to and King Solomon was permitted to, but God never commanded a temple be built. I have not had time to fact check that yet, but I found it an interesting statement.
1 Kings 8
 

Ben1445

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That's true. Yet the cloud filled the temple when Solomon had the Ark moved into the holy place. And after Solomon's dedication, God said, I have hallowed this house which you have built, to put my name there.

And Christ had a zeal for God's house, which Herod had built.
1 Kings 8
Since the day that I brought forth my people Israel out of Egypt, I chose no city out of all the tribes of Israel to build an house, that my name might be therein; but I chose David to be over my people Israel. And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel. And the LORD said unto David my father, Whereas it was in thine heart to build an house unto my name, thou didst well that it was in thine heart

Interesting that God said He did not choose this to happen. God commended David for something that he did not choose. David must have had some kind of free will!! Amazing where you can find that free will stuff!

And back to the thread topic…

Nehemiah 1:9
But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.

That place is where Israel is.
 

Aaron

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Nehemiah 1:9
But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.

That place is where Israel is.
To do what?
 

xlsdraw

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The King shall reign from Jerusalem. The tribes of Israel shall serve the King. All the nations of the earth shall come to worship the King in Jerusalem. The scriptures are crystal clear that this will happen.
 

JesusFan

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And after the Babylonian exile, God regathered His people, and made a new covenant with them. He built a new house out of living stones, moved in, then tore down His old house in 70AD. The Son of David is now King of kings, and Lord of lords.

Promise kept.
Pretierism?
 

Ben1445

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Well. We certainly are not talking about the nation of Israel.

What does the Covenant say of Isralites who end up rejecting God? Are they still God's people or are they "cut off"?
And still in this statement is acknowledged that the unbeliever is removed from the people who God set His name on while the gentile is grafted in.

The fact that God set His name in that place and on those people is significant, not temporarily, but eternally.
 

Aaron

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The fact that God set His name in that place and on those people is significant, not temporarily, but eternally.
Well, not eternally, no matter one's eschatology. Your Millennial kingdom does come to an end, and that real estate will burn up.

Are you sure it wasn't the Temple where God said He would set His name?
 

Ben1445

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Well, not eternally, no matter one's eschatology. Your Millennial kingdom does come to an end, and that real estate will burn up.

Are you sure it wasn't the Temple where God said He would set His name?

Jeremiah 7:12
But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

The temple is important but there is more than that.

Nehemiah 1:9
But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.

Deut. 30

And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee……
…..for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

By all counts Deut. 30 is what is being talked about in Neh. 1
These promises mentioned by Moses predate the law and the temple/tabernacle.

And in the new heaven and the new earth there is a new Jerusalem.
 
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