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Remission of sins is Salvation !

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Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You dont believe or understand propitiation, nobody under Gods wrath can have Christ being their propitation. Impossible and all permanent final unbelievers are under Gods wrath Jn3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

The wrath of God abiding on them is in the present tense

But now the ones of 1 Jn 2:2 Christ is their propitiation Christ is in the present tense, and their sins are being covered My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have[present tense] an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
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BF once again PROPITIATION does not mean saved. Thatis your mistake.

And the Lord Jesus is not only our Advocate, but He is also the propitiation for our sins. This means that by dying for us, He freed us from the guilt of our sins and restored us to God by providing the needed satisfaction and by removing every barrier to fellowship. God can show mercy to us because Christ has satisfied the claims of justice. It is not often that an advocate (or lawyer) pays for his client's sins; yet that is what our Lord has done, and most remarkable of all, He paid for them by the sacrifice of Himself.
John adds that He is the satisfying sacrifice not for our sins only, but also for the whole world. This does not mean that the whole world is saved. Rather it means that the work of the Lord Jesus is sufficient in value to save all the world, but it is only efficient to save those who actually put their trust in Him. It is because His work is sufficient for all men that the gospel can be offered to all the world. But if all men were automatically saved, there would be no need of preaching the gospel to them.
 
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Brightfame52

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@Silverhair

BF once again PROPITIATION does not mean saved. Thatis your mistake.
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Yes it does, thats your unbelief and being deceived. Nobody under wrath has Christ as a propitation, they all saved from wrath whom Christ is their propitation, God is reconciled to them and at peace !
 
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Brightfame52

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@Silverhair

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
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The ones believing and receiving Jesus Christ did so because they had been born of God. Thats the only way one can believe in Christ
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Sure it does, saved from wrath, thats salvation, they are Justified Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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BF you will believe what you want but you will not believe the bibles clear text which I have pointed out to you more than once.

You are a hard core calvinist that trusts in a pagan philosophy rather than the word of God.

Your false religious views spits in the face of God.

My God have mercy on your soul.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



Yes it does, thats your unbelief and being deceived. Nobody under wrath has Christ as a propitation, they all saved from wrath whom Christ is their propitation, God is reconciled to them and at peace !
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What you are saying is that if they were ever going to be able to be saved, they would need a new offering for sin.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



The ones believing and receiving Jesus Christ did so because they had been born of God. Thats the only way one can believe in Christ
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Your theology is mixed up. You are saying that unsaved people are not sinners because they are born of God.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This thinking of yours is as bad as saying that after you are born again you have to be both baptized and buried with Christ claiming that they are separate things.

Regeneration is salvation is born again.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF you will believe what you want but you will not believe the bibles clear text which I have pointed out to you more than once.

You are a hard core calvinist that trusts in a pagan philosophy rather than the word of God.

Your false religious views spits in the face of God.

My God have mercy on your soul.
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Propitiation means Gods wrath is satisfied, appeased, so how can anyone be under Christs propitiation and under Gods wrath at the same time ? Thats error
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
Your theology is mixed up. You are saying that unsaved people are not sinners because they are born of God.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This thinking of yours is as bad as saying that after you are born again you have to be both baptized and buried with Christ claiming that they are separate things.

Regeneration is salvation is born again.
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Man you just say anything, dont make a bit of sense. I just said, people believe in Jesus after having been bor again Jn 1:12-13
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Propitiation means Gods wrath is satisfied, appeased, so how can anyone be under Christs propitiation and under Gods wrath at the same time ? Thats error
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Appeased does not mean saved BF.

to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe.
to appease an angry king.
 
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