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No, we don't.LOL. Go back to school, neophyte. There are some who do need the lexicon.
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No, we don't.LOL. Go back to school, neophyte. There are some who do need the lexicon.
All God's children are saved at the Cross. It just hasn't yet worked itself out in time. Like Christ was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, yet working out in time is a different thing.
1 John 3:2 - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Already corrected you on this fable.Christ was the propitiation for the whole world Aaron so how does that work for you saved at the cross?
It’s a matter of application. The blood, in Exodus, was effective when it was applied to the doors. If the blood is not applied to each person, then they will be guilty of their own sins. That doesn’t mean that Jesus blood can’t apply to them. It means that it won’t.If you think 1 Jn 2:1-2 is speaking about all humanity, you are promoting universalism because propitiation is a salvation blessing, it only applies to the saved. Lost people on their way to hell have not had their sins satisfied for, Gods wrath is upon them forever
Mark 1:4There sins were already forgiven through the blood Matt 26:28 and they were already regenerated saved.
If they were already saved then why do they need to be saved. This quickening to receive quickening goes against Jesus’ teaching.There sins were already forgiven through the blood Matt 26:28 and they were already regenerated saved.
Christ provided the application of the blood b4 the Father, that's why He is continually being the propitiation for them He died for. Their sins are all covered, and Gods wrath for them is satisfied, and their sins are covered from His sight.It’s a matter of application. The blood, in Exodus, was effective when it was applied to the doors. If the blood is not applied to each person, then they will be guilty of their own sins. That doesn’t mean that Jesus blood can’t apply to them. It means that it won’t.
If you think that it doesn’t include all humanity, then you don’t understand the power of the blood, or the responsibility of the sinner.
If you believe in original sin, surely you can see that Christ answered for that original sin. If the original sin is answered for, then the only thing left to be taken care of is personal sin. Jesus blood is able to cover all the sins of mankind. This is not to say that everyone will eventually be saved. Have I made it clear enough or are you that confused about what universalism really is. If everyone were to eventually be saved no matter what that would be universalism and that would be bad doctrine. It is equally wrong to deny the ability of Christ to make atonement for any and all sinners.
I didn’t write 1 John. I do know what it says. You sound like you are having a hard time understanding what John was saying.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Any man is at the least equal to the “we.” It is clear that the we is included in the any man because it is an if, then type of statement. But it doesn’t end there. It requires clarification so there is information added. Jesus is not just the advocate, He is also the propitiation for our sin. But there is more clarification needed so without a period to finish the sentence, more information is added again. It is not only the “we” who Jesus blood atones for but all.
Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
There is not a new sacrifice made for different people. Jesus died, once for all.
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Same sacrifice for everyone. It is a matter of application. Is His blood applied to the sinner?
This is not universalism. This is the Gospel.
They were preaching forgiveness of sins to them whose sins were forgiven. Whoever comes to believe, its because their sins have been forgiven.Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Why not call them ? Thats when one finds out about their forgiveness. Sinners are forgiven way b4 they are called into the knowledge of it.If they were already saved then why do they need to be saved. This quickening to receive quickening goes against Jesus’ teaching.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they were already justified, they would not be called.
The gas you're belching about it is.The bible is not a fable @Aaron.
Ask Jesus. He is the one who said that He was not here to call the righteous. If justification is our righteousness, then Jesus was not calling the justified.Why not call them ?
Forgiven without salvation is universalism. You just preach an exclusive version where sins are forgiven without salvation.Thats when one finds out about their forgiveness. Sinners are forgiven way b4 they are called into the knowledge of it.
The gas you're belching about it is.
You dont know what you talking about and you not listening to wisdom from the scriptureAsk Jesus. He is the one who said that He was not here to call the righteous. If justification is our righteousness, then Jesus was not calling the justified.
Forgiven without salvation is universalism. You just preach an exclusive version where sins are forgiven without salvation.
Christ was the propitiation for the whole world Aaron so how does that work for you saved at the cross?
You dont know what you talking about and you not listening to wisdom from the scripture
You dont believe or understand propitiation, nobody under Gods wrath can have Christ being their propitation. Impossible and all permanent final unbelievers are under Gods wrath Jn3:36Still denying the clear word of God.
BF just because you say it does not make it true, you have to trust what the word of God says not what you would like it to say.