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Remission of sins is Salvation !
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Silverhair
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Are you now calling yourself a universalist?
Christ was the propitiation for the whole world Aaron so how does that work for you saved at the cross?
Those that have freely trusted in Christ are now children of God.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Once we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit we are children of God not before.
Rom_8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God
Already corrected you on this fable.
It’s a matter of application. The blood, in Exodus, was effective when it was applied to the doors. If the blood is not applied to each person, then they will be guilty of their own sins. That doesn’t mean that Jesus blood can’t apply to them. It means that it won’t.
If you think that it doesn’t include all humanity, then you don’t understand the power of the blood, or the responsibility of the sinner.
If you believe in original sin, surely you can see that Christ answered for that original sin. If the original sin is answered for, then the only thing left to be taken care of is personal sin. Jesus blood is able to cover all the sins of mankind. This is not to say that everyone will eventually be saved. Have I made it clear enough or are you that confused about what universalism really is. If everyone were to eventually be saved no matter what that would be universalism and that would be bad doctrine. It is equally wrong to deny the ability of Christ to make atonement for any and all sinners.
I didn’t write 1 John. I do know what it says. You sound like you are having a hard time understanding what John was saying.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Any man is at the least equal to the “we.” It is clear that the we is included in the any man because it is an if, then type of statement. But it doesn’t end there. It requires clarification so there is information added. Jesus is not just the advocate, He is also the propitiation for our sin. But there is more clarification needed so without a period to finish the sentence, more information is added again. It is not only the “we” who Jesus blood atones for but all.
Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
There is not a new sacrifice made for different people. Jesus died, once for all.
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Same sacrifice for everyone. It is a matter of application. Is His blood applied to the sinner?
This is not universalism. This is the Gospel.
Silverhair
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Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
If they were already saved then why do they need to be saved. This quickening to receive quickening goes against Jesus’ teaching.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they were already justified, they would not be called.
Brightfame52
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Christ provided the application of the blood b4 the Father, that's why He is continually being the propitiation for them He died for. Their sins are all covered, and Gods wrath for them is satisfied, and their sins are covered from His sight.
Now the type was the jews, but Christs Propitiation goes beyond the ethnic boundaries of the jews, and takes in Gentiles as well. But even with that broad of a scope, its still only a elect people involved.
Brightfame52
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They were preaching forgiveness of sins to them whose sins were forgiven. Whoever comes to believe, its because their sins have been forgiven.
Faith in His Blood, means Faith believes your sins were forgiven by the Blood of Christ when He shed it for many Matt 26:28
Brightfame52
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Why not call them ? Thats when one finds out about their forgiveness. Sinners are forgiven way b4 they are called into the knowledge of it.
The gas you're belching about it is.
Ask Jesus. He is the one who said that He was not here to call the righteous. If justification is our righteousness, then Jesus was not calling the justified.
Forgiven without salvation is universalism. You just preach an exclusive version where sins are forgiven without salvation.
Silverhair
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Christ was the propitiation for the whole world Aaron so how does that work for you saved at the cross?
Those that have freely trusted in Christ are now children of God.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Once we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit we are children of God not before.
Rom_8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God
Perhaps this will clear up your confusion @Aaron
Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Brightfame52
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You dont know what you talking about and you not listening to wisdom from the scripture
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Silverhair
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BF you are the one that denies the truth of scripture with what you post.
Silverhair
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Still denying the clear word of God.
BF just because you say it does not make it true, you have to trust what the word of God says not what you would like it to say.
Brightfame52
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You dont believe or understand propitiation, nobody under Gods wrath can have Christ being their propitation. Impossible and all permanent final unbelievers are under Gods wrath Jn3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
The wrath of God abiding on them is in the present tense
But now the ones of 1 Jn 2:2 Christ is their propitiation Christ is in the present tense, and their sins are being covered My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have[present tense] an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Brightfame52
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This remission of sins Christ was and is exalted to give to His Chosen People Israel, He secured it for them Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Now He gives it to His People Israel of God Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Now He gives it to His People Israel of God Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
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