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TULIP - Which of the 5 points to subscribe to?

Which of the 5 do you believe

  • Total Depravity

  • Unconditional Election

  • Limited Atonememt

  • Irresistible Grace

  • Perseverance of the Saints


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Brightfame52

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Endless change of subject posts, addressing my supposed bad behavior rather then the topic. Every saved person was ransomed. That is not the issue.
2 Peter 2:1 says someone bought by the Lord was heading for destruction. This is what is being denied.
Everyone Jesus ransomed was saved. Ransomed is another way of saying saved, as well as redeemed. Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Everyone He gave Himself for, it redeemed them from all iniquity and purified them unto Himself. Thats the Truth
 

Van

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Everyone Jesus ransomed was saved. Ransomed is another way of saying saved, as well as redeemed. Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Everyone He gave Himself for, it redeemed them from all iniquity and purified them unto Himself. Thats the Truth
This is all they have. Ignore 2 Peter 2:1, and make false claims. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
 

Brightfame52

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This is all they have. Ignore 2 Peter 2:1, and make false claims. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
Everyone Jesus ransomed was saved. Ransomed is another way of saying saved, as well as redeemed. Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Everyone He gave Himself for, it redeemed them from all iniquity and purified them unto Himself. Thats the Truth

Im not ignoring it, but I know what it doesnt teach. Because the ones Christ died for and redeemed with His Blood, they are redeemed from, out of all iniquity and purified. Titus 2:14

Peter also in 1 Peter taught it 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

They were redeemed from, or out of false vain traditional religion by the blood of Christ.
 

Van

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Everyone Jesus ransomed was saved. Ransomed is another way of saying saved, as well as redeemed. Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Everyone He gave Himself for, it redeemed them from all iniquity and purified them unto Himself. Thats the Truth

Im not ignoring it, but I know what it doesnt teach. Because the ones Christ died for and redeemed with His Blood, they are redeemed from, out of all iniquity and purified. Titus 2:14

Peter also in 1 Peter taught it 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

They were redeemed from, or out of false vain traditional religion by the blood of Christ.
Sheer nonsense, ignoring reality and biblical truth. Everyone Christ died for was ransomed, but not redeemed. You would think these folks could at-least acknowledge a modicum of truth. Everyone redeemed had been ransomed. Such a simple concept...

Did you see where even the verse cited, Titus 2:14 supports biblical truth, might redeem, not did redeem. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
 

Brightfame52

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Sheer nonsense, ignoring reality and biblical truth. Everyone Christ died for was ransomed, but not redeemed. You would think these folks could at-least acknowledge a modicum of truth. Everyone redeemed had been ransomed. Such a simple concept...

Did you see where even the verse cited, Titus 2:14 supports biblical truth, might redeem, not did redeem. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
Those who Christ died for and redeemed by His Blood are saved by being redeemed by His Blood, a theme that will be broadcasted throughout eternity pal Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 

Van

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Those who Christ died for and redeemed by His Blood are saved by being redeemed by His Blood, a theme that will be broadcasted throughout eternity pal Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Yet another off topic non-germane post hoping to flood the zone with obfuscation.

Everyone redeemed was ransomed. Not everyone ransomed has been or will be redeemed. Such a simple concept....
 

Brightfame52

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Yet another off topic non-germane post hoping to flood the zone with obfuscation.

Everyone redeemed was ransomed. Not everyone ransomed has been or will be redeemed. Such a simple concept....
No its not off topic its spot on, redemption and ransom are joined at the hip. The ransom is the price paid to redeem the captive slave Jer 31 11

For the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
 

Van

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No its not off topic its spot on, redemption and ransom are joined at the hip. The ransom is the price paid to redeem the captive slave Jer 31 11

For the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
More nonsense, more obfuscation, more denial of 2 Peter 2:1. This is all they have, folks!
 

Brightfame52

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More nonsense, more obfuscation, more denial of 2 Peter 2:1. This is all they have, folks!
To be ransomed is to be saved, the all that are ransomed in 1 Tim 2 are all saved, and it will be testified to

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
 
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