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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
The truth of scripture really does not get through to you does it?

You cherry pick verses that you think support your view and ignore the context in which the verses is found.

As they say, no one is so blind as those that will not see.

For someone that claims to preach you have a very limited understanding of the word of God.
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In order to spiritually hear the word of God and spiritually understand it, you first have to be saved or of God Jn 8:47
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
in order for man to come to Christ he must be given motion, life, this comes by quickening. All who come to Christ have been quickened out of a dead spiritual state. Eph 2:1

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

In the original the word quickened isnt there, its derived from verse 5 and its the word suzóopoieó and means:

to make alive together with
Usage: I make alive together with.

I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.

This causing to live is giving motion to, which is the impelling aspect of drawing Jn 6:44 and 12:32

So quickening and drawing can be used interchangeably. 2
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Repeating a post does not make it true BF.

It was wrong the last time it is still wrong.
 
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Brightfame52

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A person dead in trespasses and sin cannot come to Christ because he does not have the will to come, nor can he hear the Word of God John 5:40; 8:43

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 3
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Still ignoring context BF. Your making false claims will not make them true no matter how many times you make the claim.
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Actually Im highlighting a truth within the context ! Pay close attention to what Jesus says about who it is that hears the words of God, spiritually speaking Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

also what does Jesus say to these men as to why they they dont hear the words of God ?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
A person dead in trespasses and sin cannot come to Christ because he does not have the will to come, nor can he hear the Word of God John 5:40; 8:43

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 3
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BF if you actually bothered to read verses in the context in which they are found then you would not make the same mistakes in your thinking.

JJoh 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, oh 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Joh 8:43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
Joh 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.

In both cases the person could have come to Christ but chose not to do so.
 
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