Good Grief, your post supported the biblical truth, 1 Peter 2:9-10 refers to people chosen under the New Covenant, and you post as if you were unable to grasp reality.
Your doctrines are false, Sir, and it is not my fault you were duped.
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Hebrews 10:14
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Your doctrines are false, Sir, and it is not my fault you were duped.
Hello Van, Thank you for your response. Van, I can agree in part that 1 Pet.2:9-10 refers to God's activity in effectually drawing gentiles to Faith and Salvation. They had been non covenant people , considered unclean by the Jews. When the Spirit of God has the apostles explain from scripture the exact fulfillment of OT.Passages, we must obey that teaching. If you read what I offered you can see that is so. Take another look.Good Grief, your post supported the biblical truth, 1 Peter 2:9-10 refers to people chosen under the New Covenant, and you post as if you were unable to grasp reality.
Your doctrines are false, Sir, and it is not my fault you were duped.
Why were those names spoken of in Hosea?
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
1) Scripture does not say God "effectually drawing Gentiles to faith and salvation" is says (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14) God chose individuals into salvation through setting them apart into Christ (sanctification of the Spirit) and faith in the truth (when credited as righteousness by God.)Hello Van, Thank you for your response. Van, I can agree in part that 1 Pet.2:9-10 refers to God's activity in effectually drawing gentiles to Faith and Salvation. They had been non covenant people , considered unclean by the Jews. When the Spirit of God has the apostles explain from scripture the exact fulfillment of OT.Passages, we must obey that teaching. If you read what I offered you can see that is so. Take another look.
Why were those names spoken of in Hosea?
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
2) As I have said, your attempt to bring Hosea into the discussion is needless as the passage is none germane. See post #28
As I have demonstrated, you willing refuse to welcome truth, and invent your own reality apart from scripture...so be it.1) Scripture does not say God "effectually drawing Gentiles to faith and salvation" is says (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14) God chose individuals into salvation through setting them apart into Christ (sanctification of the Spirit) and faith in the truth (when credited as righteousness by God.)
2) As I have said, your attempt to bring Hosea into the discussion is needless as the passage is none germane. See post #28
Once again a poster refuses to actually address the topic, but seeks to hide within a flurry of false claims.As I have demonstrated, you willing refuse to welcome truth, and invent your own reality apart from scripture...so be it.
My friend you have not addressed the Hosea quotes by Paul in Romans. You have not done so because you cannot , as you have turned away from plain truth once again. Do people read what you post as a form of comedy, or like a morbid person slows down passing by a traffic collision looking to see if anyone died? Give us your explantion of Hosea, and Romans, before saying the topic is not being addressed.lolOnce again a poster refuses to actually address the topic, but seeks to hide within a flurry of false claims.
My friend, I have addressed your off topic references to Hosea. Shall we go over them again.My friend you have not addressed the Hosea quotes by Paul in Romans. You have not done so because you cannot , as you have turned away from plain truth once again. Do people read what you post as a form of comedy, or like a morbid person slows down passing by a traffic collision looking to see if anyone died? Give us your explantion of Hosea, and Romans, before saying the topic is not being addressed.lol
In Post 27, you reference Hosea 1:9-10. I responded that the reference was non-germane in post #28.
In Post 27, you referenced the Hosea verses cited by Paul in Romans 9:25:26. I responded by saying Zatatar71 made my case with the Romans 9:25-26 reference because people who had not been a people were chosen to be a people.
Next you claim Paul's use of the phrases "a people" and "not a people" had the same meaning under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. But the people chosen to bring the Redeemer under the old Covenant were not the same people under the New, as the New had Jews and Gentiles chosen for salvation, a different purpose. If salvation under the New Covenant was in view, My People would never become not My People unless you believe in loss of Salvation.
In Post 32, you reference Hosea 2:23. But your cited commentary supported my position, as Paul used the verse to support that people who had been not my people, the Gentiles, were now His chosen people under the New Covenant.
In Post 33, you made the same point, supporting my view using Hosea. I responded in Post 34.
Now, having once again shown the OT diversion only obscures the thread topic, lets return to the actual topic, the meaning of Hebrews 10:14, that Christ, by the sacrifice of His life, has made perfect, thus able to be in union with God, those who have been set apart (sanctified) in Christ.
You making such a statement does not make it so,lolMy friend, I have addressed your off topic references to Hosea. Shall we go over them again.
In Post 27, you reference Hosea 1:9-10. I responded that the reference was non-germane in post #28.
This is borderline incoherent as you flee from the text.In Post 27, you referenced the Hosea verses cited by Paul in Romans 9:25:26. I responded by saying Zatatar71 made my case with the Romans 9:25-26 reference because people who had not been a people were chosen to be a people.
You seemingly cannot grasp what the Holy Spirit has Paul quote for us. You might need to humble yourself mightily and seek His help.Next you claim Paul's use of the phrases "a people" and "not a people" had the same meaning under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. But the people chosen to bring the Redeemer under the old Covenant were not the same people under the New, as the New had Jews and Gentiles chosen for salvation, a different purpose. If salvation under the New Covenant was in view, My People would never become not My People unless you believe in loss of Salvation.
Looks as if you have once again failed to substantiate your claim, unless you sell a decoder ring, and special 3d glasses to help us see what you imagine is there.
In Post 32, you reference Hosea 2:23. But your cited commentary supported my position, as Paul used the verse to support that people who had been not my people, the Gentiles, were now His chosen people under the New Covenant.
In Post 33, you made the same point, supporting my view using Hosea. I responded in Post 34.
Now, having once again shown the OT diversion only obscures the thread topic, lets return to the actual topic, the meaning of Hebrews 10:14, that Christ, by the sacrifice of His life, has made perfect, thus able to be in union with God, those who have been set apart (sanctified) in Christ.
From the internet:
In Romans 9:24 the apostle Paul writes of how God has called individuals unto salvation “not from among the Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.” Then, in Romans 9:25-26, he continues by quoting from the OT: “As He says also in Hosea, ‘I will call those who were not My people, “My people,” and her who was not beloved, “beloved.” And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, “You are not My people,” there they shall be called sons of the living God.’”
What immediately strikes the reader of Romans 9:25-26 is that Paul quotes Hosea 2:23 (in v. 25) and Hosea 1:10 (in v. 26) in reference to the Lord calling vessels of mercy from among the Gentiles in the present age. In their original context in Hosea, however, these verses speak of God’s restoration of ethnic Israel in the last days.
Paul repurposes OT citations to support NT truths.
In Romans 9:24 the apostle Paul writes of how God has called individuals unto salvation “not from among the Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.” Then, in Romans 9:25-26, he continues by quoting from the OT: “As He says also in Hosea, ‘I will call those who were not My people, “My people,” and her who was not beloved, “beloved.” And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, “You are not My people,” there they shall be called sons of the living God.’”
What immediately strikes the reader of Romans 9:25-26 is that Paul quotes Hosea 2:23 (in v. 25) and Hosea 1:10 (in v. 26) in reference to the Lord calling vessels of mercy from among the Gentiles in the present age. In their original context in Hosea, however, these verses speak of God’s restoration of ethnic Israel in the last days.
Paul repurposes OT citations to support NT truths.
Now, having once again shown the OT diversion only obscures the thread topic, lets return to the actual topic, the meaning of Hebrews 10:14, that Christ, by the sacrifice of His life, has made perfect, thus able to be in union with God, those who have been set apart (sanctified) in Christ.
What is being disputed? Nothing, but endless posts are hurled to prevent discussion of the topic. Why?
Because if we were only able to be in union with God until after Christ died, then the false claim people were "in Him" before creation is falsified. They do not want it recognized that the OT saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom until Christ died, and no one was chosen by being set apart in Him before creation. That is the false doctrine being defended by subterfuge.
What is being disputed? Nothing, but endless posts are hurled to prevent discussion of the topic. Why?
Because if we were only able to be in union with God until after Christ died, then the false claim people were "in Him" before creation is falsified. They do not want it recognized that the OT saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom until Christ died, and no one was chosen by being set apart in Him before creation. That is the false doctrine being defended by subterfuge.