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What doctrines in a local church would cause you to now leave if adopted?

John of Japan

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Could you elaborate? Aren’t pastor’s elders?
Are you comfortable with the traditional Baptist deacon board rule?

Rob
"Elder rule" is having pastors, deacons, and elders, and the "elders" are the ones who actually lead the church. The pastor is usually the "teaching elder," and does not lead the church. John Mac's church works that way, supposedly.

As for "deacon rule," nope, they are servants (the meaning of diakonos, of course), not rulers. The pastor is the leader and the people rule in Baptist churches.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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That doesn’t make any sense. In any event, I will not have any affiliations with any church besides my own. I want no interference from SBC, ABC …XYZ etc.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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"Elder rule" is having pastors, deacons, and elders, and the "elders" are the ones who actually lead the church. The pastor is usually the "teaching elder," and does not lead the church. John Mac's church works that way, supposedly.

As for "deacon rule," nope, they are servants (the meaning of diakonos, of course), not rulers. The pastor is the leader and the people rule in Baptist churches.
And so if you get a stinker of a Pastor, what’s the process to get rid of him?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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OK…we have a process where everyone attends the sermon, including children ( with the parents ) and if their are any questions it’s the parents responsibility to field the questions. And if the parents don’t understand then the Pastor fields the questions…or one of the elders step in to clarify.
 

KenH

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OK…we have a process where everyone attends the sermon, including children ( with the parents ) and if their are any questions it’s the parents responsibility to field the questions. And if the parents don’t understand then the Pastor fields the questions…or one of the elders step in to clarify.

If you click on the sermons, you will notice that each week there is one labeled "Sunday School" and one labeled "Sunday Service". During the "Sunday School", the young children are taught separately.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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If you click on the sermons, you will notice that each week there is one labeled "Sunday School" and one labeled "Sunday Service". During the "Sunday School", the young children are taught separately.
Got it….OK with that however I really prefer communal family oriented teaching.
 

Salty

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Why would you claim you are independent and affiliate with the SBC?
Because we are an automatous local Baptist church - ie the SBC has no control over us.
Our affiliation is strictly voluntarily!
We are NOT required to support SBC missionaries, use lifeway, attend any meetings, what
Bible version to use, and ect.
In fact, did you know there are SBC churches that support missionaries that are not IMB or NAMB
And BTW, our local (SBC) Association supports a non-SBC missionary
If and when we choose - we can be part of any of those activities.
Some think that if are SBC, you must join the State convention and local association. That just is not the case
Some are part of only one of the three - some 2 - though most churches choose to be affiliated with all three.
One other thing - a church may decided to join more than one local assocation and/or State convention.
AND our church does not have to be in that geographic area. Our Bap Convention of NY has churches in
Mass, Conn and 1 or 2 in Canada!
That sounds like being independent to me!

(PS- you might be surprised as to how many SBC churches do NOT send any $$ to the cooperative program!)

I was just thinking - if a bunch of KJO IFB ministers got together for a time of fellowship - and one pastor quoted a Bible verse
out of a Non-KJV Bible - I wonder what would happen!!!

One last thing - I say I am a ifb - Not IFB!
 

JD731

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Because we are an automatous local Baptist church - ie the SBC has no control over us.
Our affiliation is strictly voluntarily!
We are NOT required to support SBC missionaries, use lifeway, attend any meetings, what
Bible version to use, and ect.
In fact, did you know there are SBC churches that support missionaries that are not IMB or NAMB
And BTW, our local (SBC) Association supports a non-SBC missionary
If and when we choose - we can be part of any of those activities.
Some think that if are SBC, you must join the State convention and local association. That just is not the case
Some are part of only one of the three - some 2 - though most churches choose to be affiliated with all three.
One other thing - a church may decided to join more than one local assocation and/or State convention.
AND our church does not have to be in that geographic area. Our Bap Convention of NY has churches in
Mass, Conn and 1 or 2 in Canada!
That sounds like being independent to me!

(PS- you might be surprised as to how many SBC churches do NOT send any $$ to the cooperative program!)

Excuse me but I cannot see the wisdom in such non descript affiliations as you have presented in your post. If one must ask what the purpose is, it is probably because there isn't one.


I was just thinking - if a bunch of KJO IFB ministers got together for a time of fellowship - and one pastor quoted a Bible verse
out of a Non-KJV Bible - I wonder what would happen!!!

It would depend on his reason for quoting it. I am KJV only but I have just recently quoted from the NASB. The purpose was for comparison. What would happen with this guy you have presented to us is that his action would out him as being NOT KJV only if his purpose was to convey his convictions concerning the subject of the Bible. He is obviously in the wrong fellowship and he is going to be a division in it. If one gets a thorn in his finger he must get it out or it will cause infection that spreads..
One last thing - I say I am a ifb - Not IFB!
I heard an old saying; if a man will not stand for something, he is likely to fall for anything.
 
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Salty

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That doesn’t make any sense. In any event, I will not have any affiliations with any church besides my own. I want no interference from SBC, ABC …XYZ etc.
As I explained - we have NO interference from the SBC. If anything they help us -
So please explain what makes you think we are not independent -as we are autonomous

Now, if the members of your church do not wish to fellowship with others of like faith and order - then you must all
live a very lonely life.
 
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