Calvinism Made Me Doubt My Salvation

[Eternally Grateful]

One last post on the "P" of the TULIP.

The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "of the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute.

what about babes in Christ.. should they question their salvation?

 

[Van]

what about babes in Christ.. should they question their salvation?

Sorry, but you need to start a new thread to address this issue. We are talking about the "P" of the TULIP

 

[Van]

Re-posted to edit an error, "of the faith" should read "in the faith."

The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray for Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry, but you need to start a new thread to address this issue. We are talking about the "P" of the TULIP

Yes, and I am discussing your comment about the P in tulip.

so once again, in your comment you made a statement that

Here is what you said

But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute.

so I ask again, what about the babe in christ who may not show any evidence yet??

should they question their salvation??

second, this thread is about a person who was made to doubt his salvation. Not tulip let alone the P in tulip

3. Give yourself a pride check. Your pride wreaks the way you have spoken to me these past few days. God resists the proud.. He gives mercy to the humble. show some humility and not arrogance

 

[Van]

The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray for Christ.

The only person who is authorized in scripture to judge whether we are saved is ourselves. We are not to judge another man's servant!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray for Christ.

The only person who is authorized in scripture to judge whether we are saved is ourselves. We are not to judge another man's servant!

again, what about a babe in Christ. should they question their salvation since they need fed milk, and not meat. and struggle still with some personal sins..

 

[Zaatar71]

The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray for Christ.

The only person who is authorized in scripture to judge whether we are saved is ourselves. We are not to judge another man's servant!

Spoken like a true calvinist!

 

[Zaatar71]

again, what about a babe in Christ. should they question their salvation since they need fed milk, and not meat. and struggle still with some personal sins..

A young Christian, who is a Christian, indeed, has salvation, but until the fruit of the Spirit works in and through him, experientially, he most likely will lack...ASSURANCE of salvation, but not actual salvation itself! I asked the OP, poster if he had any evidence of God working in his life? The poster spoke about what he himself had done, but the question to him was...What has God done in his life?

 

[Van]

Spoken like a true calvinist!

On, and on, posters addressing me and running from a sincere discussion of the doctrine. Note the T,U,L, and I of the TULIP are false doctrines.

 

[Van]

again, what about a babe in Christ. should they question their salvation since they need fed milk, and not meat. and struggle still with some personal sins..

I see no reason why this should not be discussed in a new thread.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A young Christian, who is a Christian, indeed, has salvation, but until the fruit of the Spirit works in and through him, experientially, he most likely will lack...ASSURANCE of salvation, but not actual salvation itself! I asked the OP, poster if he had any evidence of God working in his life? The poster spoke about what he himself had done, but the question to him was...What has God done in his life?

sadly, with religion. its hard to determine which works are produced by a true faith. and from a fake faith

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see no reason why this should not be discussed in a new thread.

I see no reason why you would make a comment about a person who is not doiong somethign should question their own salvation.

then not answer a question when someone comments on what you said

 

[Van]

I see no reason why you would make a comment about a person who is not doiong somethign should question their own salvation.

then not answer a question when someone comments on what you said

If you want to pretend you are addressing the topic and not me, have at it.

The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray from Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you want to pretend you are addressing the topic and not me, have at it.
But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray from Christ.

once again'

what about a babe in Christ who has not yet come to this point of his faith

should they question their salvation.

You made the comment I am asking you to back your comment.

What I see in your comment is lordship salvation. if we do not do this or that. then we better question our salvation.

please answer the question. it is not so hard. or re form your post to accurately display true children of God. and not spread fear

 

[Natha]

YES.. AGREED.. I am also with many doubts on Calvinism.. I am Baptist but not Calvinist, and i am happy to say. I am Christian but not Calvinist

 

[Paleouss]

Recently, I made a post detailing some of the struggles I have been going through recently. As some of you know, I am going through an amicable divorce that was requested by my wife.

Regulus, I have not read any other post but the OP in this thread... my deepest prayers for you and your tribulation you are currently having. Divorce is very painful for any and all.

I felt lost and did not know how I could ever feel right with God knowing that I broke my vows

It is unclear to me what "broke my vows" entails. But I can relate to that horrible bottom one finds themselves at in times like divorce.

Sins that are so egregious that, even though I profess Christ as my savior, I cannot possibly have ever been regenerated by God and predestined to salvation.

We are all sinners and degenerates. God only saves those that are such (for all are such).

I recently attempted to reach out to two well-known Calvinist theologians for spiritual advice, and it seems that they wanted to dismiss my cries for help and have my local church deal with it. That hurt me. I felt the need to reexamine why I'm experiencing such hopelessness.

I'm sorry you didn't get what you felt you needed. My advice would be, the body of Christ is not just one church (one building). Those at the one you went might not be equipped for what you need. Also, sometimes one must leave to then 'come home again'. By leave I mean seek another support church (Calvinist or not).

Could it be that God really is not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance?

Most certainly it is the case. BTW, not all Calvinists are Limited Atonement advocates. Traditionally, meaning all the way back to even John Calvin's times, there were 4 point Calvinists (and they accepted and affirmed such under the articles and counsels).

Could it be that God wants all people to be saved and come to know the truth?

At least Scripture says He does.

If He does, then I have comfort knowing that forgiveness is available for me. If not, then I have no reason to believe that I'm one of the elect and might as well give up my faith entirely.

I'm not sure your reasoning here based on your current condition. Let the man here that has not sinned since He became saved step forward now and pass final judgement on you.

Repent and humble yourself before the Lord that forgives and is merciful. As King David, who was the Adulterer and Murderer said after being a man of God, for God, ... "I have sinned against the LORD." (2Sam 12:13). But it was said, because David repented and humbled himself before he Lord, "The LORD also has put away your sin" (2Sam 12:13).

Humble yourself before God, seek His grace, take His chastisement if there is any due, and have hope.
Peace and hope to you brother

 

[kyredneck]

sadly, with religion. its hard to determine which works are produced by a true faith. and from a fake faith

Luke Chapter 10

33​	But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he was moved with compassion,

Romans Chapter 2

13​	for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14​	(for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15​	in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Luke Chapter 10

33​	But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he was moved with compassion,

Romans Chapter 2

13​	for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14​	(for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15​	in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);

the problem is. Non believers or make believers can do these things too..

While if people claim to be saved do non of these things, it is easy to see their faith is dead. But sadly a person can do all these things, and still have a dead faith (their faith is in self and these works)

 

[kyredneck]

the problem is. Non believers or make believers can do these things too..

While if people claim to be saved do non of these things, it is easy to see their faith is dead. But sadly a person can do all these things, and still have a dead faith (their faith is in self and these works)

We're not going to agree here. You believe our faith is the source of our works, when it is the Spirit that is the source of both our works and our faith. Works often precede faith (conversion) in a child of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We're not going to agree here. You believe our faith is the source of our works, when it is the Spirit that is the source of both our works and our faith. Works often precede faith (conversion) in a child of God.

actually this has nothing to do with anything I said.

I just stated a fact. a person can appear to do good works. it does not prove they are saved.

The spirit is the source of our works. amen. I never stated it was faith that is the source.. (why would you think I did)

However. if you do not have faith. just like you can not be saved apart from faith. you will never do good works part from faith