Well, actually, there are...
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God Causes or Allows Whatsoever Comes to Pass.
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Well, actually, there are...
He and some others here, seem to be stuck on seeing God sovereignty as if was fatalism or Hyper Calvinistic only
There are none when taken in proper context state that to us
There are none when taken in proper context state that to us
Our God does not "roll the dice"
Ecclesiastes Chapter 9
11 | I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. |
I agree with mainstream Primitive Baptist's 'Overruling Providence':
Romans Chapter 8
28 | And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. |
...and not Calvinism's' 'Predestination of all things that happen' (like the mosquito that bit me last night):
And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded not, neither came it into my mind. Jer 7:31
and have built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons in the fire for burnt-offerings unto Baal; which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Jer 19:5
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. Jer 32:35
hello Kyredneck, Thanks for your response. Were you just playing the so called devil's advocate or do you think these passages support this idea?
I am not sure you would like to use these verses to defend this idea being expressed ,do you? Let's take for example your jer.32 passage.
Do you really want to suggest that our God who knows the end from the beginning, actual has some possibilities that He has in some way, failed to consider? How would this misuse of this verse square with His Omniscience?
Tell me what's wrong with my use of these passages (I know you're foaming at the bit to)...lol
If we choose not to put our faith and commitment in Christ, then God will not credit our unbelief as righteousness, as He as already condemned it. But if we choose to put our faith and commitment in Christ, that will not save us, but only if God chooses to credit our faith and commitment as righteousness, then God and God alone will save us.
False teachers try to claim we cannot come to faith, but 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we were chosen for salvation through "faith in the truth." They use various absurd arguments to nullify this biblical truth, claiming we were chosen for salvation before we had faith.
The solution of course, for this dilemma caused by not correctly understanding either 2 Thessalonians 2:13 or Ephesians 1:4, is to accept that the election of Ephesians 1:4 is corporate, as when God chose His Redeemer before creation, He corporately, but not individually, chose those His Redeemer would redeem. This view is necessitated by 1 Peter 2:9-10, because that passage precludes being chosen individually for salvation before we were once not a people chosen for God's own possession, and once we had not received mercy.
All of scripture fits together perfectly, when we rightly divide its truth as authorized workmen not needing to be ashamed. Those that need to nullify verse after verse, rather than reverse course and check their assumptions or understanding of the verses that are the basis of their beliefs.
False teachers try to claim we cannot come to faith, but 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we were chosen for salvation through "faith in the truth." They use various absurd arguments to nullify this biblical truth, claiming we were chosen for salvation before we had faith.
The solution of course, for this dilemma caused by not correctly understanding either 2 Thessalonians 2:13 or Ephesians 1:4, is to accept that the election of Ephesians 1:4 is corporate, as when God chose His Redeemer before creation, He corporately, but not individually, chose those His Redeemer would redeem. This view is necessitated by 1 Peter 2:9-10, because that passage precludes being chosen individually for salvation before we were once not a people chosen for God's own possession, and once we had not received mercy.
All of scripture fits together perfectly, when we rightly divide its truth as authorized workmen not needing to be ashamed. Those that need to nullify verse after verse, rather than reverse course and check their assumptions or understanding of the verses that are the basis of their beliefs.