One baptism?

[Alan Dale Gross]

There is "one baptism" that as in any other word read under the influence of one of the most fundamental tools of Hermeneutics, "if the plain sense of a word makes sense, then we accept it as expressing that initial plain common sense every time", unless the context dictates otherwise, rather than immediately resorting to making wild guesses as to any other possibility in the world that it might mean, strictly as the product of our imagination, for no reason other than we like the sound of it and so we also give ourselves permission to take over the place of God and to rewrite His Bible.

Yes there is one baptism

I think you cut off the salient portion of my quote, for some reason.

In other words, "if the plain sense of a word makes sense, then we accept it as expressing that initial plain common sense every time", AND DON'T SEEK ANY OTHER 'SENSE' (out of the clear blue sky).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, water baptism is literally a hands-on portion of God's Plan of having His churches self-replicating, where disciples are saved by the preaching of the Gospel, that newly saved person submits to the Unction of the Holy Spirit ("by One Spirit") to join in membership of one of His churches. They are then taught all things which the Lord Commanded.

no water baptism is done by another sinner who needed saved himself

That includes what a church is, what sin is, and How God Saves a Lost Soul, which never includes any reference to "God himself places us into union with Christ, his death and his body", or refers to a baptism being associated with salvation. Even when "baptised into Christ" is mentioned, there is no mention of that being a way of salvation.

"Baptised into Christ" can never mean "baptised and placed" anywhere. The reference to baptism has to do with a little clearer interpretation of "into", which is "because of".

We submitted to picturing Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection in water baptism "because of" everything about Jesus, Who we have now experienced in our salvation and Who we Rise to a New Life with in the Spirit to Live for Him.



No, nothing like that is taught anywhere in the scriptures. Baptism never has anything to do with salvation, since "Spirit baptism" is just a made-up error that's not in the Bible.

The Holy Spirit has never baptised anything, or anyone.


YEP. Some figuratively expressing a similar thing that is pictured in water baptism and "one baptism", as God Called it, so that noone could come along 1500 years after the Bible was written and claim that there are two baptisms, or worse, that they dismiss the water baptism by the Authority of God that God specifically Sent John to perform exactly like God wanted him to, when he baptised Jesus.

I was baptized (placed into) Christ. Only God can do this

I was baptized (immersed) in water a year later

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think you cut off the salient portion of my quote, for some reason.

In other words, "if the plain sense of a word makes sense, then we accept it as expressing that initial plain common sense every time", AND DON'T SEEK ANY OTHER 'SENSE' (out of the clear blue sky).

so then lets take the plain sense of the word as it was used in the first century in the roman empire

If I do this. I see it as an action taken on me.

Seeking another to me would be to seek to see water where no water is involved

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

no water baptism is done by another sinner who needed saved himself

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I was baptized (placed into) Christ. Only God can do this

I was baptized (immersed) in water a year later

Looks like two baptisms you have there, plain as day. That is against direct Bible scripture stating that there is "one baptism" (that the Jews and Gentiles had both received and Paul is calling them to unity, since they both have one baptism, as to kind, i.e., water baptism).

I was baptized (placed into) Christ.

There is nothing in the original language, or in the English for that matter, that can substantiate the addition into the translation of the word "placed".

Only God can do this

Then, how about: why doesn't He say He does?

so then lets take the plain sense of the word as it was used in the first century in the roman empire

Really? You want to understand the Bible, so it will stop making a monkey out of you?

What did the word "baptism" mean in that same context back when it was written or spoken to them? "lets take the plain sense of the word as it was used in the first century in the roman empire", which would be 'to dip' or 'to plunge', i.e., 'immerse'.

Nobody in the Roman Empire, including Jesus, ever heard of anything like a 'spirit baptism' until it was invented by the Protestants during the Reformation Period. Catholics had invented a worldwide population of its followers who were thought of as being visible (and why not?), but that bastardized the Bible word for "church", as always indicating 'a local assembly', and changed the meaning of the word "church" to essentially mean, 'a visible worldwide KINGDOM'.

So, the Protestants had a couple of elements to their large dilemma.

1a. If the Catholics didn't have any Authority, where do they suppose they ever got any Authority?

1b. And if they say the Catholics DO have Authority, what are the Protestants doing moving away from them?

Those two things conflict, with the Catholics vs Protestants in 1a. & 1b., which makes a dilemma.

The Protestants are between a rock and a hard place.

Then, a third party is introduced, which now applies pressure to the dilemma, making it a trilemma.

And who or what is that extra pressure?

They look over at the Baptists, and THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY FROM THE FIRST CENTURY, TO BAPTISE, TO CARRY OUT THE GREAT COMMISSION, TO HAVE THE LORD'S SUPPER, TO NAME OFFICERS, etc., etc.

So, the Protestants close their investigation into where the Authority to Do God's Business on Earth comes from and they just invent another bastardization of the word "church" and after trying for 1,500 years or so, since the Catholics changed its New Testament meaning into the rubbish of being 'a visible worldwide' "church", Satan was able to sell to a bunch of them that there is an 'invisible worldwide' "church", in which they will claim they belong and all they had to do was for the first time, doctor the interpretation and meanings of a couple of other words.

Thus, we have the birth of this 'spirit baptism' tomfoolery, which the Bible does not TEACH.

Some vague notions are batted around to play church and pretend that THEY SUDDENLY MEAN SO AND SO. When they never did before, don't, and won't ever.

If I do this. I see it as an action taken on me.

What action would you personally see as taking place on you?

Seeking another to me would be to seek to see water where no water is involved

Then, what happens when we discern water to be there involved all the way up over its head?

It should be brought under consideration, because that's what it means there.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

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Did God water baptize you?

Looks like two baptisms you have there, plain as day. That is against direct Bible scripture stating that there is "one baptism" (that the Jews and Gentiles had both received and Paul is calling them to unity, since they both have one baptism, as to kind, i.e., water baptism).

There are many baptisms in scriptuyre

there is one that saves.

There is nothing in the original language, or in the English for that matter, that can substantiate the addition into the translation of the word "placed".

lol.

baptize is not even a native english word. it is a transliteration of the greek word baptizo. which is defined as followes

to immerse, To place into. to be overwhelmed,

water is just one of many things we can be baptized into.

Then, how about: why doesn't He say He does?

He did, in romans 6, col 2, 1 cor 12 and gal 5.. You just see water where no water is involved

Really? You want to understand the Bible, so it will stop making a monkey out of you?

Your making a monkey out of yourself my friend.

I was baptized into water
I was baptized into Christ

those are two different events. One was performed by my pastor. one was performed By God