Flaws of Calvinism

[Brightfame52]

Nonsense response, it does not matter what voice the word is in. Can you address what I say, or are you going to continue to post drivel non-stop?

Of course it matters. What does passive voice mean in relation to the subject van ? You run and get the greek, now you saying it doesnt matter lol

 

[Brightfame52]

@Van

Why did Christ die for all of humanity if God had already chosen who would be saved individually?

He didn't die for all humanity and not one scripture says He did.

 

[JesusFan]

That is an illogical statement. If they were pre-chosen to go to heaven as the calvinists posits then they were at no time bound for hell. It was not even a matter of if they believed in Christ as by the calvinist version they were all pre-saved.

Saved by God per how God exists out of time, yes, but still have to become saved in our linear time, as ALL were born in a lost state until saved

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

If they were pre-chosen to go to heaven as the calvinists posits then they were at no time bound for hell.

Technically thats correct, they were always saved by grace and purpose in the eternal phase of salvation 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[Silverhair]

Saved by God per how God exists out of time, yes, but still have to become saved in our linear time, as ALL were born in a lost state until saved

Still an illogical view considering the calvinist philosophy that you seem to hold.

God knowing who will freely trust in Him is not your God choosing who will trust in Him. Biblically no one is saved until they have trusted in Christ Jesus. Thus all could have been lost if no one had trusted in Him But under your calvinism there was this "select group" that would be saved no matter what. Whether they believed or not would have no effect on the matter as God had already chosen them to salvation.

The side of the calvinist equation that none of the calvinists like to deal with is that if God pre-chose a select group to be saved then He also logically pre-chose a much larger group that were condemned to hell. And this from the God that says He wants all to come to repentance and who loves the world and whom Christ came to save.

"When he {God} shows himself propitious to them, {reprobate} it is not as if he had truly rescued them from death, and taken them under his protection. He only gives them a manifestation of his present mercy. In the elect alone he implants the living root of faith, so that they persevere even to the end. Thus we dispose of the objection, that if God truly displays his grace, it must endure for ever. There is nothing inconsistent in this with the fact of his enlightening some with a present sense of grace, which afterwards proves evanescent." Calvin Institutes Bk 3/ Chp 2/ Sec 11

But as the Lord seals his elect by calling and justification, so by excluding the reprobate either from the knowledge of his name or the sanctification of his Spirit, he by these marks in a manner discloses the judgment which awaits them. Calvin Institutes Bk 3/ Chp 21/ Sec 7

Calvinism does not reflect the true God of scripture but rather a cruel vindictive God that casts people into hell for no other reason than He can and this after He had given them a false since of salvation.

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Technically thats correct, they were always saved by grace and purpose in the eternal phase of salvation 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

But we are not talking of technical salvation here BF. According to the calvinist view they were saved before creation. If they were chosen before creation then they could not be lost

So whether they believed or not has no bearing on their salvation but since the bible clearly disagrees with your view then logically your view is flawed.

But we know that Christ came to save sinners and He died for the sins of all the world not just a select group. We also know that those that trust in Him will be saved.

So Paul's words spoken to believers are true, we are saved according to God's plan which is that Christ came that the world might be saved through Him and all those that respond in faith will be saved.