Can Non Calvinists Believe the Gospel Of The Kingdom? Is that Even Possible?

[Zaatar71]

Recently we have witnessed a couple of threads with the joyful titles Do Calvinists believe the same gospel?
Or the other favorite; The gospel a Calvinists cannot believe!

What followed were posts whining about the doctrines of grace offered by those who do not understand the basic ideas of Calvinism.

Then of course we had a few who tried to tell us, they used to be Calvinists, until they became more enlightened, or they somehow were Calvinists but at the same time, had never really came to the position by bible study, but rather got swept up in logic, or philosophy, or some other thing.

Others with a dispensational flavor to their study find no place for Historic confessional thought, much less Biblical thought and teaching as expressed by the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Apostles.
Several others knowingly or unknowingly follow the new measures of Charles Grandison Finney, look to emotional decisionism, and physical external substitutes to replace careful exegesis of scripture itself.

Some seem to think it is fashionable to explain these truths away as, Theory, or Gnostic philosophy, as if that gives them a reason not to answer to scripture when called upon, they just seek to dismiss the biblical claims.

Others proudly declare they are Baptists, and my bible says...this and that/ and there is no need to look into it.
Discussion of Election, Predestination, Covenants are unnecessary and tedious to discuss, and if you post more than a bumper sticker, or a meme, I am not going to read it.
Add the idol of man's free will, or Just quote Jn. 3:16, as if that is the whole ball of wax!

Do you think they can see through these obstacles and come to truth ?
Thankfully, many hope that God will grant them repentance and faith and remove some of these obstacles.

What do you think???

 

[atpollard]

What do you think???

I think God set the salvific bar quite low (theologically speaking) …

Romans 10:9-10 [NIV]
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

… while not very complicated, it is not an easy thing to actually do (We really do not lightly release our grip on control, so that whole “Lordship” think really rubs our fur the wrong way).

 

[Zaatar71]

I think God set the salvific bar quite low (theologically speaking) …

Romans 10:9-10 [NIV]
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

… while not very complicated, it is not an easy thing to actually do (We really do not lightly release our grip on control, so that whole “Lordship” think really rubs our fur the wrong way).

Thankfully God is Absolutely Sovereign in effectually calling and drawing sinners to himself. I have known many who tried to resist the clear teaching based on emotional or other factors. Some go to Churches where the teaching is not sound, or even worse some try and indoctrinate people against the truth! I heard one man say today that he will not rub shoulders with Calvinists.Lol...I wonder if he will be upset when he see's many 5 pointers in Heaven.

 

[canadyjd]

I had a seminary prof that confessed he had been down right angry at “Calvinism”,or the doctrines of grace, until he actually studied scripture carefully and came to the conclusion it was indeed biblical and completely consistent throughout.

For me, being saved at 32 years old, I simply studied scripture, believed what it said, and later discovered what was clearly taught, imo, had been debated for centuries and there seemed to be quite a lot of controversy around it.

God hits straight with a crooked stick. A person doesn’t have to know and accept the doctrines of grace, or any other system of thought, to be saved. I would hope careful study would lead to obvious conclusions.

However, I have discovered few attempt to reconcile the passages that teach against their beliefs and simply ignore them

Peace to you

 

[37818]

This passage doesn't require Calvinism.

Mark 1:15, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 

[Silverhair]

I am always surprised that so many of the anti-biblical types think that the bible has to agree with calvinism if the word of God is to be considered true.

They seem to think calvinism is the standard by which the bible is to be judged.

 

[Zaatar71]

I am always surprised that so many of the anti-biblical types think that the bible has to agree with calvinism if the word of God is to be considered true.

They seem to think calvinism is the standard by which the bible is to be judged.

Anti- biblical types? I can feel the love coming from your keyboard SH. For a person who does not understand the things he is discussing ,it is just wonderful when you make such pronouncements.

 

[Silverhair]

Anti- biblical types? I can feel the love coming from your keyboard SH. For a person who does not understand the things he is discussing ,it is just wonderful when you make such pronouncements.

Well since calvinist like to use the term anti-cal to point to those that disagree with their view. I decided to point out the actually reality of the position that those calvinists are in.

The bible is the standard so when the calvinist is shown to be in disagreement with the word of God then that means they are anti-biblical.

I actually take it as a compliment when you say I am an anti-cal.

 

[JD731]

Recently we have witnessed a couple of threads with the joyful titles Do Calvinists believe the same gospel?
Or the other favorite; The gospel a Calvinists cannot believe!

Should this thread have been posted in the Calvinist/Arminian section?

What followed were posts whining about the doctrines of grace offered by those who do not understand the basic ideas of Calvinism.

Calvinists are not the exclusive grace teachers. They are the ones who pervert the doctrines of grace, and even makes it a plurality.

Then of course we had a few who tried to tell us, they used to be Calvinists, until they became more enlightened, or they somehow were Calvinists but at the same time, had never really came to the position by bible study, but rather got swept up in logic, or philosophy, or some other thing.

I have heard and read the testimony of many Calvinists and the vast number of them explain that they were saved by hearing the preaching of Baptist people who were not Calvinists or by the soul winning efforts of persons who were not Calvinists. Later they were led astray from the truth because of their youth and inexperience by Calvinist teachers. They were convinced by the Calvinist intellectuals that they were never in any real danger of this eventuality because they were previously chosen by the Father to be saved, as Calvinists have defined it, by the process, or if you like it better, the promise, of predestination.

Others with a dispensational flavor to their study find no place for Historic confessional thought, much less Biblical thought and teaching as expressed by the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Apostles.

This is true. Why does a man with the Holy Spirit, (who is God btw), indwelling him, and the possession of a King James Bible need someone else to make his confession of Christ?

Several others knowingly or unknowingly follow the new measures of Charles Grandison Finney, look to emotional decisionism, and physical external substitutes to replace careful exegesis of scripture itself.

Cognizant people must respond to the "words" of God the Father, who is the judge of the whole world. The logic here is if a man who is separated from God and judged guilty by God for his sin and sentenced to eternity in the lake of fire and he hears this same judge has provided a pardon at his own cost for all those who are guilty and all the guilty one must do is acknowledge his guilt and to receive the pardon by believing the judge's explanation of how he has accomplished this through the death of his own sinless son on the sinners behalf without compromising the integrity of the judge or the court, the sentence having been carried out in the reckoning of the judge.

If a guilty sinner hears about this possibility of pardon and refuses to embrace it by faith in the offer of God, the Judge, his penalty is no greater, it just remains. The sinner is damned.

Ro 4:23 ¶ Now it was not written for his (Abraham's) sake alone, that it (righteousness) was imputed to him (without works);
24 But for us (after the cross work of Christ) also, to whom it (righteousness) shall be imputed, if we believe on him (God the Father of Jesus Christ and the judge of all men) that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Some seem to think it is fashionable to explain these truths away as, Theory, or Gnostic philosophy, as if that gives them a reason not to answer to scripture when called upon, they just seek to dismiss the biblical claims.

Others proudly declare they are Baptists, and my bible says...this and that/ and there is no need to look into it.
Discussion of Election, Predestination, Covenants are unnecessary and tedious to discuss, and if you post more than a bumper sticker, or a meme, I am not going to read it.
Add the idol of man's free will, or Just quote Jn. 3:16, as if that is the whole ball of wax!

This is rather silly reasoning. If God has not created you with intellect, reason, and will, then you are no more guilty of sin than a rabid dog.

Do you think they can see through these obstacles and come to truth ?
Thankfully, many hope that God will grant them repentance and faith and remove some of these obstacles.

God has already granted repentance and faith through the door he opened in Acts 10 to allow the gentile nations to partake of his grace with the Jews. What sinners need to be concerned about now is the door being closed.

What do you think???

I think you have misunderstood the gospel of the kingdom and have spent your post discussing something else.
One must believe what God says to him.

 

[Zaatar71]

Well since calvinist like to use the term anti-cal to point to those that disagree with their view. I decided to point out the actually reality of the position that those calvinists are in.

The bible is the standard so when the calvinist is shown to be in disagreement with the word of God then that means they are anti-biblical.

I actually take it as a compliment when you say I am an anti-cal.

The difference is, Calvinists are all about being biblical, so when you anti biblical, it has the idea that you are suggesting Cals are not saved.

 

[Silverhair]

The difference is, Calvinists are all about being biblical, so when you anti biblical, it has the idea that you are suggesting Cals are not saved.

Not saying not saved just that they are anti-biblical in their use of God's word. You cannot deny clear scripture and then claim to trust His word.

 

[David Lamb]

I am always surprised that so many of the anti-biblical types think that the bible has to agree with calvinism if the word of God is to be considered true.

They seem to think calvinism is the standard by which the bible is to be judged.

For all I know, there might be people who use Calvinism to judge the bible. Those Calvinists that I know seek to judge what they believe by what the bible says. You only have to look at the Calvinistic confessions of faith, such as the Westminster Confession, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession, where every statement made is backed up by Scripture references.

 

[Zaatar71]

Not saying not saved just that they are anti-biblical in their use of God's word. You cannot deny clear scripture and then claim to trust His word.

Do you call people who believe in the trinity anti biblical?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For all I know, there might be people who use Calvinism to judge the bible. Those Calvinists that I know seek to judge what they believe by what the bible says. You only have to look at the Calvinistic confessions of faith, such as the Westminster Confession, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession, where every statement made is backed up by Scripture references.

I am sure the catholics use the word too.

Just because someone posts scripture does not mean they understand what that scripture says

 

[KenH]

What do you think???

Regardless of monikers, no person(a natural man) can have faith in the finished work of Christ unless he is first regenerated by the Holy Spirit and becomes spiritual.

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[Silverhair]

For all I know, there might be people who use Calvinism to judge the bible. Those Calvinists that I know seek to judge what they believe by what the bible says. You only have to look at the Calvinistic confessions of faith, such as the Westminster Confession, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession, where every statement made is backed up by Scripture references.

If that were true than you would not have the errors that we see in that anti-biblical view.

 

[Silverhair]

Do you call people who believe in the trinity anti biblical?

One can believe in the trinity and still hold to anti-biblical views.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

One can believe in the trinity and still hold to anti-biblical views.

This is your fifth post on this thread without a single word of Scripture.
Just saying (Proverbs 18:2).

 

[Silverhair]

This is your fifth post on this thread without a single word of Scripture.
Just saying (Proverbs 18:2).

Good to see your are reading my posts.

 

[Zaatar71]

This is your fifth post on this thread without a single word of Scripture.
Just saying (Proverbs 18:2).

He would offer scripture if he could find any that he could use. Looks as if there are none.