Charlie Kirk debates regarding the Pope & other

[Cathode]

Better be making sure that the forgiveness of sins comes from water baptism or by the Blood of Christ through repentance.

It can't be both! Either Christ did it all for you, or you have to help Him out.

No mate.

“With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.”

We are saved by Christ’s Sacrifice on the Cross through Baptism.

From what you have been saying, you would not have accepted Peter’s offer of baptism for the forgiveness of your sins.
You clearly don’t believe in Baptism for the forgiveness of sin, you only see it as symbolic and does nothing.
This is totally unscriptural.

You don’t believe Baptism now saves us.

You don’t believe in Baptism for the forgiveness of sin.

But, “Those who accepted his message were baptized.”

 

[Charlie24]

No mate.

“With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.”

We are saved by Christ’s Sacrifice on the Cross through Baptism.

From what you have been saying, you would not have accepted Peter’s offer of baptism for the forgiveness of your sins.
You clearly don’t believe in Baptism for the forgiveness of sin, you only see it as symbolic and does nothing.
This is totally unscriptural.

You don’t believe Baptism now saves us.

You don’t believe in Baptism for the forgiveness of sin.

But, “Those who accepted his message were baptized.”

I've never heard of a single person who refused to be water baptized.

It's the reason for water baptism that separates those who fully trust in His finished work and those who must add to it.

 

[Cathode]

I've never heard of a single person who refused to be water baptized.

Would you have accepted being Baptised by Peter for the forgiveness of your sins?

“and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

Something tells me ( namely you ) you would have stopped Peter at that point, and lectured him saying that’s not how sins are forgiven.
That only through the blood of Christ are we forgiven, not through the works or ceremony of Baptism.
And that Baptism doesn’t now save us.

All contravening the scripture.

 

[Charlie24]

Would you have accepted being Baptised by Peter for the forgiveness of your sins?

“and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

Something tells me ( namely you ) you would have stopped Peter at that point, and lectured him saying that’s not how sins are forgiven.
That only through the blood of Christ are we forgiven, not through the works or ceremony of Baptism.
And that Baptism doesn’t now save us.

All contravening the scripture.

Yea, like I would have the nerve to say anything to Peter. Knowing what I know now, if I had been in the presence of Peter in his day he would have thought me to be a mute. Other than, yes sir, no sir.

We know where we stand, Cathode. We see things differently, nothing wrong with expressing those differences.

 

[Cathode]

We know where we stand, Cathode. We see things differently, nothing wrong with expressing those differences.

I stand with the Scripture which teaches Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and that Baptism now saves us.

You denied both of these things, there is a great deal wrong with this.

 

[Charlie24]

I stand with the Scripture which teaches Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and that Baptism now saves us.

You denied both of these things, there is a great deal wrong with this.

Col. 1:14

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"

 

[Martin Marprelate]

These are the men that preserved the Scriptures from the Apostles through massive persecution and then Canonised the first Bible.

These are the men that preserved the same interpretation of Scripture taught to them by the Apostles.

Unlike the human traditions founded by Bible aloners who interpreted their own new doctrines from scripture, scattering into many conflicting human traditions. None of them having anything to do with the Bible.

The trouble is that you have to ignore the Bible's own teaching to try and establish your theory.
The apostasy was already about in the time of the apostles (2 Cor. 11:3-4, 13-15; Gal. 1:6-9; Col. 2:4, 8, 16-18; 1 Timothy 1:3; 2 Timothy 4:10, 14; 2 John 7; Jude 4 and pretty much the whole letter). That is why the N.T. is a rather argumentative book. Paul told the Ephesian elders that things would get worse immediately after his departure.
Acts 20:29-31. 'For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.'

It is simply no good saying that someone like Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp who was taught by John. Alexander the Coppersmith was taught by Paul, but that wasn't much good. We must go to the Bible alone. Everyone else's works without exception must be judged by that book only.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Mate, I looked everywhere to find believers' Baptism

Not too hard. Acts 2:41.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Better be making sure that the forgiveness of sins comes from water baptism or by the Blood of Christ through repentance.

It can't be both! Either

Adolf Hitler was baptized into the church of Rome, and Stalin into the Russian 'Orthodox' church. Just saying.

 

[Charlie24]

Adolf Hitler was baptized into the church of Rome, and Stalin into the Russian 'Orthodox' church. Just saying.

"Nothing but the Blood of Jesus"

 

[Charlie24]

I stand with the Scripture which teaches Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and that Baptism now saves us.

You denied both of these things, there is a great deal wrong with this.

Cathode, let's reason together on water baptism. Just hear me out.

Rom. 4:14

"For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:"

The Law was a system of works. Paul plainly tells us that faith is made void by works.

Rom. 11:5-6

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Here Paul doubles down on works cancelling out Grace. That leaves man standing before God with only his works for salvation.

Water baptism is a work performed by another on your behalf.

What is going to happen when you stand before God with His Grace cancelled and you only have for your salvation the claim that in a ceremony my sins were washed away in water baptism?

 

[Cathode]

Col. 1:14

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"

Which is what happens at Baptism.

 

[Charlie24]

Which is what happens at Baptism.

Show me the verse where the Blood is applied in water baptism.

 

[Charlie24]

Show me the verse where the Blood is applied in water baptism.

The truth is, Cathode, the Blood is applied as Paul describes it in Col. 2, our spiritual rebirth that water baptism symbolizes.

 

[Cathode]

The truth is, Cathode, the Blood is applied as Paul describes it in Col. 2, our spiritual rebirth that water baptism symbolizes.

“We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” Romans 6:4

So Christ’s death on the Cross is associated to us through Baptism.

That’s why Peter says.

“and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

The merits of Christ’s work on the Cross is given to us at Baptism, our sins are forgiven at Baptism.

This makes sense of Peters other words “ Baptism now saves you” and “ It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”

You don’t believe Baptism saves you. You don’t believe in Baptism for the forgiveness of sin. You said it.
This is not Scriptural, you have gone off Script.

If you put Peter and Paul’s writings together, they both associate Christ’s death on the Cross with Baptism.

“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” 1 Peter 3

“We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” Romans 6:4

So Baptism now saves us, our sins are forgiven at Baptism and it clears our conscience toward God.

See the beautiful symmetry of Scripture, God be praised forever. Paul and Peter are both saying the same thing of Baptism.

Baptism is not symbolic, it “saves you” as scripture states.

At Baptism our sins are forgiven, it clears our conscience toward God.

You denied these clear Scriptural teachings.

“Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.”

What was the message.

“and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

You denied that sins are forgiven at Baptism, saying it’s only symbolic and does nothing.

 

[Charlie24]

“We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” Romans 6:4

So Christ’s death on the Cross is associated to us through Baptism.

That’s why Peter says.

“and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

The merits of Christ’s work on the Cross is given to us at Baptism, our sins are forgiven at Baptism.

This makes sense of Peters other words “ Baptism now saves you” and “ It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”

You don’t believe Baptism saves you. You don’t believe in Baptism for the forgiveness of sin. You said it.
This is not Scriptural, you have gone off Script.

If you put Peter and Paul’s writings together, they both associate Christ’s death on the Cross with Baptism.

“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” 1 Peter 3

“We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” Romans 6:4

So Baptism now saves us, our sins are forgiven at Baptism and it clears our conscience toward God.

See the beautiful symmetry of Scripture, God be praised forever. Paul and Peter are both saying the same thing of Baptism.

Baptism is not symbolic, it “saves you” as scripture states.

At Baptism our sins are forgiven, it clears our conscience toward God.

You denied these clear Scriptural teachings.

“Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.”

What was the message.

“and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

You denied that sins are forgiven at Baptism, saying it’s only symbolic and does nothing.

Every one of us chooses his own way. Responsibility comes with that choice.

 

[Cathode]

Adolf Hitler was baptized into the church of Rome, and Stalin into the Russian 'Orthodox' church. Just saying.

That’s because OSAS is another false teaching.

 

[Cathode]

Every one of us chooses his own way. Responsibility comes with that choice.

Yes you are terribly free to accept or reject the clear Scriptural teaching.

 

[Cathode]

The trouble is that you have to ignore the Bible's own teaching to try and establish your theory.
The apostasy was already about in the time of the apostles (2 Cor. 11:3-4, 13-15; Gal. 1:6-9; Col. 2:4, 8, 16-18; 1 Timothy 1:3; 2 Timothy 4:10, 14; 2 John 7; Jude 4 and pretty much the whole letter). That is why the N.T. is a rather argumentative book. Paul told the Ephesian elders that things would get worse immediately after his departure.
Acts 20:29-31. 'For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.'

Polycarp was a Shepherd not a wolf, he was directly appointed the Bishop of Smyrna by the Apostles. Jesus spoke to Polycarp in Revelation as the angel of the Church of Smyrna. Polycarp died a martyr for the faith as Jesus words to him in Revelation predicted.
Polycarp was also dealing with heretics and detractors as Jesus called them the synagogue of Satan in Revelation. Think about this, Jesus was speaking to Polycarp in Revelation, Scripture.

So too Irenaeus was also a Bishop, a Shepherd, who learned all that Polycarp learned from John and the others personally. Irenaeus defended against the Gnostic and Montanist heretics.

These guys fought the wolves.

It is simply no good saying that someone like Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp who was taught by John. Alexander the Coppersmith was taught by Paul, but that wasn't much good. We must go to the Bible alone. Everyone else's works without exception must be judged by that book only.

The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth.

The Bible tells you that Bible alone is false therefore. Every heretic that has existed quoted the scriptures to support his errors.
That’s why the scripture points to the Church.

Jesus founded a Church that the gates of Hell would not prevail against. A church guided in all Truth, ie Infallible.

 

[37818]

. . . OSAS is another false teaching.

God does the saving and keeps those He saves.
John 10:27-28, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. . . .