Total depravity or total inability?

[Dave...]

This is excellent!!!! also. The Quote by C.S. Lewis in this video concerning total depravity is really though provoking.

C.S. Lewis On Calvinism And Total Depravity​

 

[Brightfame52]

BF many will be drawn to God through various means but not all will turn to Him in faith.

You continue to deny clear scripture.

False, drawing is regeneration, only the elect are regenerated and brought in believe in Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you continue to promote universalism when you say all that are drawn will be saved as we know Christ will draw all man to Himself. John 12:32

The all is the elect

 

[Brightfame52]

There you go denying clear scripture again.

The all are regenerated. Is all mankind regenerated? No so unregenerate man is not drawn

 

[Brightfame52]

BF, have you ever been in a Church service under the anointed preaching and notice someone looking uncomfortable?

Maybe they seem unable to get situated in their seat, wiping their face continually, maybe breaking out in a cold sweat?

That is the drawing of the Holy Spirit under the conviction of sin. That is the drawing, and it doesn't have to be in a Church service to happen.

It can happen anywhere at any time when the Gospel is given to lost man.

That person under the conviction has to make a choice, letting it go without addressing it is a rejection.

Rabbit trail

 

[Charlie24]

The all is the elect

That is one of the many extremes the Calvinists must take in order to hold on to a dead theory!

 

[Charlie24]

Rabbit trail

It's how God intended for man to exercise his free will.

No one is in Hell because God chose not to draw them, they are in Hell because they rejected His Son.

And there are several ways that can be done!

 

[Silverhair]

False, drawing is regeneration, only the elect are regenerated and brought in believe in Christ.

That is false calvinists teaching BF, it is not biblical.

 

[Silverhair]

The all is the elect

Again you are teaching universalism BF.

Christ draws all [Jn 12:32] and you say all of them are the calvinist elect so all would be saved. So those drawn by Christ "that's everyone" would be saved, that's universalism.

 

[Silverhair]

The all are regenerated. Is all mankind regenerated? No so unregenerate man is not drawn

One is only regenerated/saved after they have responded with faith to the various means that God uses to draw them.

So all the unregenerate are drawn just as Christ said He would do.

 

[Brightfame52]

That is one of the many extremes the Calvinists must take in order to hold on to a dead theory!

So who is the all

 

[Brightfame52]

It's how God intended for man to exercise his free will.

No one is in Hell because God chose not to draw them, they are in Hell because they rejected His Son.

And there are several ways that can be done!

Man is in hell because God predetermined to dam them for their sins. This thread is about total depravity, man is spiritually dead in sin by nature

 

[Brightfame52]

That is false calvinists teaching BF, it is not biblical.

Its Gods truth, and you are accountable for it

 

[Brightfame52]

Again you are teaching universalism BF.

Christ draws all [Jn 12:32] and you say all of them are the calvinist elect so all would be saved. So those drawn by Christ "that's everyone" would be saved, that's universalism.

The all in Jn 12:32 is the elect. Who do you say it is

 

[Brightfame52]

One is only regenerated/saved after they have responded with faith to the various means that God uses to draw them.

So all the unregenerate are drawn just as Christ said He would do.

When Jesus draws,He regenerates, so is all mankind regenerated ?

 

[Charlie24]

The all in Jn 12:32 is the elect. Who do you say it is

Titus 2:11

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

Salvation is available to ALL men, BF.

The "Draw" is a spiritual force that comes from the hearing of the Word of God.

Remember Paul said, Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.