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Total depravity or total inability?

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Dave...

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This is excellent!!!! also. The Quote by C.S. Lewis in this video concerning total depravity is really though provoking.

C.S. Lewis On Calvinism And Total Depravity​

 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
BF, have you ever been in a Church service under the anointed preaching and notice someone looking uncomfortable?

Maybe they seem unable to get situated in their seat, wiping their face continually, maybe breaking out in a cold sweat?

That is the drawing of the Holy Spirit under the conviction of sin. That is the drawing, and it doesn't have to be in a Church service to happen.

It can happen anywhere at any time when the Gospel is given to lost man.

That person under the conviction has to make a choice, letting it go without addressing it is a rejection.
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Rabbit trail
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
It's how God intended for man to exercise his free will.

No one is in Hell because God chose not to draw them, they are in Hell because they rejected His Son.

And there are several ways that can be done!
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Man is in hell because God predetermined to dam them for their sins. This thread is about total depravity, man is spiritually dead in sin by nature
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Again you are teaching universalism BF.

Christ draws all [Jn 12:32] and you say all of them are the calvinist elect so all would be saved. So those drawn by Christ "that's everyone" would be saved, that's universalism.
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The all in Jn 12:32 is the elect. Who do you say it is
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
The all in Jn 12:32 is the elect. Who do you say it is
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Titus 2:11

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

Salvation is available to ALL men, BF.

The "Draw" is a spiritual force that comes from the hearing of the Word of God.

Remember Paul said, Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
Titus 2:11

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

Salvation is available to ALL men, BF.

The "Draw" is a spiritual force that comes from the hearing of the Word of God.

Remember Paul said, Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
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@Brightfame52

The word "draw" in John 12:32 is not saying that if Christ is lifted up (crucified) that all men will be literally dragged to Him.

It's a metaphor for the spiritual realm of drawing your attention to a certain detail.

When the Word of God is given to lost man, the Gospel, He convicts of sin and draws your attention to the fact that you need a Savior.

Man can accept that calling (draw) or reject it.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
@Brightfame52

The word "draw" in John 12:32 is not saying that if Christ is lifted up (crucified) that all men will be literally dragged to Him.

It's a metaphor for the spiritual realm of drawing your attention to a certain detail.

When the Word of God is given to lost man, the Gospel, He convicts of sin and draws your attention to the fact that you need a Savior.

Man can accept that calling (draw) or reject it.
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Christ said that after He left, (ascended into heaven) he would send the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) and He would teach them all things that Christ had said, and He will convict of sin.

The conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the Gospel is the "Draw" that convicts man of his sin and makes him totally aware that he needs a Savior. The Gospel shows man that Christ died for those sins and your sins will be forgiven by repentance and faith in the crucified Christ.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
Titus 2:11

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

Salvation is available to ALL men, BF.

The "Draw" is a spiritual force that comes from the hearing of the Word of God.

Remember Paul said, Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
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Titus 2:11 is the elect. Paul was writing to them who had the faith of God's Elect

Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
@Brightfame52

The word "draw" in John 12:32 is not saying that if Christ is lifted up (crucified) that all men will be literally dragged to Him.

It's a metaphor for the spiritual realm of drawing your attention to a certain detail.

When the Word of God is given to lost man, the Gospel, He convicts of sin and draws your attention to the fact that you need a Savior.

Man can accept that calling (draw) or reject it.
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The Elect, Jn 12:32 is all the elect
 
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