I'll cut it off right here, Cathode. I don't think either of us want this endless argument to start up again.
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Do these verses fully summarize what is needed for salvation?
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I'll cut it off right here, Cathode. I don't think either of us want this endless argument to start up again.
“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.” John 6
The Eternal Truth Incarnate is saying “ Very truly I tell you “ and people have walked away from His words in their hearts.
They echo the words of the faithless disciples that no longer followed Him on first hearing it.
“ How, can this man give us his flesh to eat? “
This “ How “ is from Hell.
Firstly “ this man “ is not just a man, He is God.
How did He transform water into wine?
How did He multiply the loaves and fish?
You believe these things He did by the power of His Word. The first faithless disciples even saw these things and still asked “ How “.
Believe because Jesus said it, require no more proof than this, and this is “Faith” in Jesus.
The Eternal Truth Incarnate is saying “ Very truly I tell you “ and people have walked away from His words in their hearts.
They echo the words of the faithless disciples that no longer followed Him on first hearing it.
“ How, can this man give us his flesh to eat? “
This “ How “ is from Hell.
Firstly “ this man “ is not just a man, He is God.
How did He transform water into wine?
How did He multiply the loaves and fish?
You believe these things He did by the power of His Word. The first faithless disciples even saw these things and still asked “ How “.
Believe because Jesus said it, require no more proof than this, and this is “Faith” in Jesus.
“From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.”
You must face Jesus words and believe them.
I accept the words of Christ, it's the words of the RCC that Charlie rejects.
The Catholic Church believes Jesus Flesh is real food and His Blood is real drink.
You called it symbolic food and symbolic drink in the past, which doesn’t aline with Jesus words in Scripture.
We believe that when we eat Jesus flesh and drink His blood, we abide in Him and He in us in Covenant Communion.
We believe The Holy Eucharist is Jesus Himself come in the Flesh to give us Life.
“ The bread that I will give for the Life of the world is my flesh “
You denied that Jesus comes in the flesh in the Eucharist.
Jesus Flesh is real food and His Blood is real drink, not symbolic food and symbolic drink.
I don't believe what the RCC believes, that's why I'm a Protester.
How many times have we argued this?
We argued just a few days ago on water baptism. I can remember a few years ago several arguments on the Lord's Supper.
At least find something new to disagree on.
Was Jesus speaking literally or figuratively?
Catholic belief is Scriptural and yours is not, that’s the issue.
Catholics believe Jesus Flesh is real food and His Blood is real drink.
You said it’s not real food and not real drink, but symbolic, so you are not Scriptural here.
I remember you added your own words to make it mean what you wanted it to mean, I still can’t believe you did that bro.
This is what’s called twisting the scripture.
I’m trying to make you face Jesus words and believe them. Scripture we all hold as authoritive, but you shy away from it.
Then count me unscriptural, Cathode.
Whatever makes you happy, short of me turning to apostasy.
I didn't twist Scripture, gave you word for word what Paul said.
Maybe you now realize the predicament you're in.
“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.” John 6
Very truly I tell you, Jesus Flesh is real food and His Blood is real drink.
Jesus instituted this at the Last Supper.
Jesus likened the Manna in the old Covenant that sustained Israel daily to His flesh in the New Covenant that sustains us, but sustains us to Eternal Life and Resurrection.
“Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
Don’t do it mate.
Think the better of it and trust Jesus Words.
Who else can you go to, Jesus has the words of everlasting life.
I feel better now, Cathode, you have only mentioned the words of Christ and left out the words of the RCC.
We may become "mates" after all.
37818
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John 6:35, And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:47-48, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life.
John 6:51, I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:53-56, Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
John 6:35, And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
You twisted Peters writing if I recall.
Peter who actually warned about Paul’s writing, which is incidentally where all Bible aloners come to grief.
“He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.” 2 Peter 3
Nothing more unstable than each man interpreting his own meanings from scripture. It’s the most dangerous thrill sport in human history, with eternal stakes.
Every Protestant I’ve known nonchalantly ignores peter here, saying consequences, shmonsequences. They never once stop to consider that they are the ignorant and unstable.
Take up any other thrill sport on the planet, but for pity sake, stop privately interpreting the scriptures.
Many think they are following Paul’s teaching but are on their way to destruction, take Peters warning.
Peter clarifies Paul’s teaching. Peter says Baptism now saves you, for receiving The Holy Spirit, clears your conscience toward God, and is for the forgiveness of your sins.
No, you are in the predicament of not following the scripture.
Only so many will be sent to you, to plead and warn you.
Ok, add to the list that Charlie is unscriptural, + ignorant and unstable.
Cause Peter said so.
That’s right. If you believe Jesus words, you will come to Him in the Eucharist.
Those that didn’t believe Jesus words, they didn’t believe in Him, and never made it to the Last Supper.
“From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.” John 6:66.
This denial prohibits people to the feast of Christ’s Body and Blood, to receive His Eternal Life and Resurrection to their bodies.
Denying Jesus words is denying the invite to the feast.
If people deny Jesus invite by not believing His words, of cause they will not come to the feast.
37818
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Jesus being the bread of life, is NOT the passover Last Supper remembrance. But the coming and believing in Him.
John 6:63, It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.