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Do these verses fully summarize what is needed for salvation?

Cathode

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Anyway, the main point being the reality of Jesus Flesh being real food and His Blood being real drink can not be ignored.

“ Unless you .............................................................................., you have no life in you.”

Jesus is communicating something really important to know here in this blank space.
What must we do to avoid not having life in us?

We must eat Jesus Flesh and drink His Blood.
 

Cathode

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And supper being ended . . .
και δειπνου γενομενου
Is the common Greek text.

You are ducking into an obscure word rabbit hole to avoid the important Scriptural narrative.

to be, become, happen; to come into existence, be born.

to come into existence; established, come to pass, happen, occur.

All these are other uses of the word ginomenuo in scripture.

καὶ δείπνου γινομένου

Kai. deipnou. ginomenuo

And supper being born

And supper happening

And. supper. come into existence

And. supper. come to pass

And. supper established

And. supper occurring.

You get the idea.

So these translations below are fine in context of the verse.

The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.” NIV

And during supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him,” ESV

The evening meal was underway, and the devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.” BSV.

Anyway, look at the actual scripture narrative occurring, the link between John 6 and the Last Supper is unmistakable and undeniable.
 

37818

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You are ducking into an obscure word rabbit hole to avoid the important Scriptural narrative.
The common Greek text reading for John 13:2 is not the obscure reading.
The one most modern Bibles translations currently choose is actually the obscure and actually the wrong reading.
99.5% mss versus 0.3% which are the obscure wrong readings.
 

Cathode

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The common Greek text reading for John 13:2 is not the obscure reading.
The one most modern Bibles translations currently choose is actually the obscure and actually the wrong reading.
99.5% mss versus 0.3% which are the obscure wrong readings.

You are ignoring the obvious scripture narrative and are scurrying into translation to avoid the obvious scripture narrative.

Supper obviously wasn’t ended if Jesus was still at table, handling the bread and dipping bread at table. The narrative itself negates your word quibbling.

Judas died at the Last Supper, Satan entered into him at the moment he ate the bread Jesus declared to be His Body.

Judas ate Jesus Body, without believing Jesus words in John 6 that His flesh was real food and blood was real drink.
Judas didn’t believe in eating Jesus Flesh for Everlasting Life. He didn’t believe “ “This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Jesus did give Judas this bread which Jesus declared to be His Body.

The Eucharist has the opposite effect on Judas at the moment he received it in his unbelief.

Why does Judas and his betrayal even feature in the Bread of Life discourse, we find out when Judas eats the Bread of Life at the Last Supper.
 

37818

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You are ignoring the obvious scripture narrative and are scurrying into translation to avoid the obvious scripture narrative.
No I am not. That Greek verb form, meaning "was," is uniquely use in the New Testament 8x. And to deliberately change it to mean "during" in John 13:2 is wrong. And making that Greek verb form only to occur once in the whole NT. Just to attempt to change the order of events.

Luke 22:20-21, . . . Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
 

Cathode

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No I am not. That Greek verb form, meaning "was," is uniquely use in the New Testament 8x. And to deliberately change it to mean "during" in John 13:2 is wrong. And making that Greek verb form only to occur once in the whole NT. Just to attempt to change the order of events.

Luke 22:20-21, . . . Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

After supper is after eating the bread which Jesus declared was His Body and passed out to the disciples to eat, this is the verse before. You left that part out, which shows supper wasn’t ended when Jesus passed the bread out to the disciples, including to Judas. Supper was ended after they ate the bread, including Judas.

“And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table.”

John’s account of Last Supper fills in the detail, Jesus takes the bread and dips it before giving it to Judas.

The narrative negates your point.
 
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