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Question for Baptists

rockytopva

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I consider myself an Anabaptist. Anabaptist is a Christian movement that emerged during the 16th-century Reformation, distinguished by its emphasis on adult baptism (believer's baptism). We do not sprinkle or baptize infants. Only humans who we consider have come into an age of accountability and are able to make the decision of baptism on their own.

And then we will baptize them in full submersion. And if we catch them wiggling around we will hold them under a few minutes longer to make sure the old man of sin has departed!
 

Cathode

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I consider myself an Anabaptist. Anabaptist is a Christian movement that emerged during the 16th-century Reformation, distinguished by its emphasis on adult baptism (believer's baptism). We do not sprinkle or baptize infants. Only humans who we consider have come into an age of accountability and are able to make the decision of baptism on their own.

It was new movement with a new doctrine that started in the 1500s.


And then we will baptize them in full submersion. And if we catch them wiggling around we will hold them under a few minutes longer to make sure the old man of sin has departed!

Same with healing services.

When you say “ Be healed “ , stomp your heal really hard on the effected area.
 

Cathode

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You're a nice guy, Cathode, and I like you and agree with some of the things you believe.

But I don't agree with the general theology of the RCC.

We try to show you why, it's not like we don't have a reason.

I blame the heretics and one that inspired the heresies, they separate brother Christians, and they always use scripture to do it.
 

Charlie24

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And the other side of the coin?

We believe the Scripture proves the heresies were committed by the Church evolving into apostasy.

@Cathode

Have you ever viewed the 7 letters to the Churches in Revelation through Dispensationalism?

Each Church represents a specific time in history with the first letter to the Church at Ephesus being the 1st century Church (closing around 100 ad) the Apostolic Church.

The second letter to the Church at Smyrna (around 100 ad - 300 ad) The Martyr Church.

The third letter to the Church at Pergamos (300 ad -500 ad) The State Church.

Thyatira being the Papal Church (had its beginnings around 500 ad to the present.

Sardis beginning around 1500 ad and as the Papal Church, it continues to this day.

Philadelphia the Missionary Church. (beginning around 1800 ad).

Laodicea the Apostate Church and is very much alive at this very hour.
 

Cathode

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And the other side of the coin?

We believe the Scripture proves the heresies were committed by the Church evolving into apostasy.

This goes against Christ’s promise in scripture that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, that it would not apostatise in other words, but be victorious.

“Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, ‘That thou mayest know haw thou oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth’” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,18:25(A.D. 350).

“[T]he Article, In one Holy Catholic Church,’ on which, though one might say many things, we will speak but briefly. It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one and all the doctrines which ought to come to men’s knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly… for this cause the Faith has securely delivered to thee now the Article, And in one Holy Catholic Church;’ that thou mayest avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the Holy Church Catholic in which thou wast regenerated. And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord’s House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 18:23,26 (A.D. 350).

“Those who from heresy turn to orthodoxy, and to the portion of those who are being saved, we receive according to the following method and custom: Arians, and Macedonians, and Sabbatians, and Novatians, who call themselves Cathari or Aristori, and Quarto-decimans or Tetradites, and Apollinarians, we receive, upon their giving a written renunciation [of their errors] and anathematize every heresy which is not in accordance with the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God.” Council of Constantinople I, Canon 7 (A.D. 381).

“We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard.” Augustine, The True Religion, 7:12 (A.D. 390).

“Inasmuch, I repeat, as this is the case, we believe also in the Holy Church, [intending thereby] assuredly the Catholic. For both heretics and schismatics style their congregations churches. But heretics, in holding false opinions regarding God, do injury to the faith itself; while schismatics, on the other hand, in wicked separations break off from brotherly charity, although they may believe just what we believe. Wherefore neither do the heretics belong to the Church catholic, which loves God; nor do the schismatics form a part of the same.” Augustine, On Faith and Creed, 10:21 (A.D. 393).

The Catholic Church has seen off every heresy from the beginning.
 

Cathode

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@Cathode

Have you ever viewed the 7 letters to the Churches in Revelation through Dispensationalism?

Each Church represents a specific time in history with the first letter to the Church at Ephesus being the 1st century Church (closing around 100 ad) the Apostolic Church.

The second letter to the Church at Smyrna (around 100 ad - 300 ad) The Martyr Church.

The third letter to the Church at Pergamos (300 ad -500 ad) The State Church.

Thyatira being the Papal Church (had its beginnings around 500 ad to the present.

Sardis beginning around 1500 ad and as the Papal Church, it continues to this day.

Philadelphia the Missionary Church. (beginning around 1800 ad).

Laodicea the Apostate Church and is very much alive at this very hour.

John is writing to the Bishops of those places.

For instance, the letter to the Angel of the Church in Smyrna is a letter to Bishop Polycarp.

“To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

“These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.


Jesus is speaking to Bishop Polycarp through Johns writing. Jesus prophesied Polycarps martyrdom.

Polycarp was burned alive and speared by the pagan Romans for refusing to burn incense to the Emperor.

“All the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished.” Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).
 

Zaatar71

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Sure. Agreed.



Which is what happens at Baptism.




“and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”

Baptism does save us as Scripture clearly states, and it’s effects are spiritual clearing the conscience which is of the soul. IE your sins are forgiven.

This fits perfectly with.

“ Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

So Scripture clearly teaches.

Baptism saves us. Saying otherwise is unscriptural.

Baptism is for the forgiveness of our sins. Saying otherwise is unscriptural.

At Baptism you receive the gift of The Holy Spirit. Saying otherwise is unscriptural.



You have got to realise Catholics are pre Bible Christianity, our Church isn’t founded on the Bible, our Church is founded by Christ on the Apostles, we preserved the scriptures from the Apostles and Canonised the first Bible.

We aren’t like the human founded institutions in Bible alonism beginning in the 1500s, trying to reconstruct churches and doctrines by subjective human interpretations of Scripture, they having nothing to do with the Bible in the first place, and having no agreement among themselves. To us, these are false artificial constructs, all traditions of men to our eyes.

Catholics only have one singular objective interpretation of Scripture handed down from the Apostles, the Apostles interpretation of Scripture. All we do is preserve that, we have never been allowed interpret scripture according to each man’s opinion like Bible alonism does.
Tens of thousands of human founded, conflicting traditions of men in Bible alonism proves it’s a bad idea.
Well it seems you have a very active imagination. You have twisted several of the points right here. Many baptized people will be in hell. I hope that God can save some Roman Catholics despite the false teachings of your church, Apostate popes, made up stories, such as Mary as co-mediatrix is blasphemous.
 

rockytopva

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@Cathode

Have you ever viewed the 7 letters to the Churches in Revelation through Dispensationalism?

Each Church represents a specific time in history with the first letter to the Church at Ephesus being the 1st century Church (closing around 100 ad) the Apostolic Church.

The second letter to the Church at Smyrna (around 100 ad - 300 ad) The Martyr Church.

The third letter to the Church at Pergamos (300 ad -500 ad) The State Church.

Thyatira being the Papal Church (had its beginnings around 500 ad to the present.

Sardis beginning around 1500 ad and as the Papal Church, it continues to this day.

Philadelphia the Missionary Church. (beginning around 1800 ad).

Laodicea the Apostate Church and is very much alive at this very hour.

Good teaching! We are not against Catholics confessing Christ and Christian. We just don't want to be a part of the Church at Rome (Thyatira as you say). I would also tell Catholics that there was an Orthodox church before them. Pergos is a tower, needed in the dark ages.
 

Charlie24

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John is writing to the Bishops of those places.

For instance, the letter to the Angel of the Church in Smyrna is a letter to Bishop Polycarp.

“To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

“These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.


Jesus is speaking to Bishop Polycarp through Johns writing. Jesus prophesied Polycarps martyrdom.

Polycarp was burned alive and speared by the pagan Romans for refusing to burn incense to the Emperor.

“All the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished.” Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).

Happy to see you recognize the martyrdom in the letter to Smyrna.

The 10 days of persecution is believed to be the 10 waves of persecution the Smyrna Church suffered from 100 ad - 300 ad.

Christ said He knew their poverty but they were yet rich, they were spiritually rich.

The Church at Laodicea, the Apostate Church was rich, but Christ said they were poor, spiritually poor.

The reason I brought the letters up is that during the Pergamos Church (300 ad -500 ad) the State Church, was the preparation and ground work for the RCC. This is where the heresies began and led to a departure from the Lord.

It was late in this time period 300 ad - 500 ad that the Dark Ages began. Isn't that a coincident?
 

Cathode

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Well it seems you have a very active imagination. You have twisted several of the points right here.

Can you enlarge on that?

Many baptized people will be in hell. I hope that God can save some Roman Catholics despite the false teachings of your church, Apostate popes, made up stories,

I couldn’t find any false teachings.

such as Mary as co-mediatrix is blasphemous.

No it’s not. The greatest grace came to mankind through Mary, Jesus Himself.

That’s just how events went down, nothing can be done to change it. It’s spilt milkery to even try.
 

Cathode

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The reason I brought the letters up is that during the Pergamos Church (300 ad -500 ad) the State Church, was the preparation and ground work for the RCC. This is where the heresies began and led to a departure from the Lord.

“And besides, also, one only Catholic and Apostolic Church, which can never be destroyed, though all the world should seek to make war with it; but it is victorious over every most impious revolt of the heretics who rise up against it. For her Goodman hath confirmed our minds by saying, ‘Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.’ ” Alexander of Alexandria, Epistle on the Arian Heresy, 12 (A.D. 321).

“The Church, ordained by the Lord and established by His Apostles, is one for all; but the frantic folly of discordant sects has severed them from her. And it is obvious that these dissensions concerning the faith result from a distorted mind, which twists the words of Scripture into conformity with its opinion, instead of adjusting that opinion to the words of Scripture. And thus, amid the clash of mutually destructive errors, the Church stands revealed not only by her own teaching, but by that of her rivals. They are ranged, all of them, against her; and the very fact that she stands single and alone is her sufficient answer to their godless delusions. The hosts of heresy assemble themselves against her; each of them can defeat all the others, but not one can win a victory for itself. The only victory is the triumph which the Church celebrates over them all.” Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 7:4 (A.D. 359).

It was late in this time period 300 ad - 500 ad that the Dark Ages began. Isn't that a coincident?

Do tell.
 

Charlie24

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“And besides, also, one only Catholic and Apostolic Church, which can never be destroyed, though all the world should seek to make war with it; but it is victorious over every most impious revolt of the heretics who rise up against it. For her Goodman hath confirmed our minds by saying, ‘Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.’ ” Alexander of Alexandria, Epistle on the Arian Heresy, 12 (A.D. 321).

“The Church, ordained by the Lord and established by His Apostles, is one for all; but the frantic folly of discordant sects has severed them from her. And it is obvious that these dissensions concerning the faith result from a distorted mind, which twists the words of Scripture into conformity with its opinion, instead of adjusting that opinion to the words of Scripture. And thus, amid the clash of mutually destructive errors, the Church stands revealed not only by her own teaching, but by that of her rivals. They are ranged, all of them, against her; and the very fact that she stands single and alone is her sufficient answer to their godless delusions. The hosts of heresy assemble themselves against her; each of them can defeat all the others, but not one can win a victory for itself. The only victory is the triumph which the Church celebrates over them all.” Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 7:4 (A.D. 359).



Do tell.

Yes, I do tell.

The Church apostatized and God's Word was withdrawn from the people.

The reason the Dark Age came about.
 

Charlie24

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Honestly mate, have you even studied this time period?

No seriously?

Or is this dispensationist rewrite of history.

Furthermore, this is how the Word of God was kept from the people as the RCC gained it's foundation and the RCC continued to keep the Word of God from the people until the Reformers came along.

This is why the Catholic people are so brain-washed and don't understand when we explain what they should have been taught.
 

Cathode

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Furthermore, this is how the Word of God was kept from the people as the RCC gained it's foundation and the RCC continued to keep the Word of God from the people until the Reformers came along.

This is why the Catholic people are so brain-washed and don't understand when we explain what they should have been taught.

So it’s Dispensationist rewrite of history.

Seriously mate?
 

Zaatar71

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Can you enlarge on that?



I couldn’t find any false teachings.



No it’s not. The greatest grace came to mankind through Mary, Jesus Himself.

That’s just how events went down, nothing can be done to change it. It’s spilt milkery to even try.
Mary had other children, unlike the false rc claims
 

Charlie24

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Furthermore, this is how the Word of God was kept from the people as the RCC gained it's foundation and the RCC continued to keep the Word of God from the people until the Reformers came along.

This is why the Catholic people are so brain-washed and don't understand when we explain what they should have been taught.

Thank God for Martin Luther, John Calvin, Huldrych Zwingli, and several others.

No, they were not right about everything as we are not, they even disliked one another in some cases, but they did what God gave them to do, they pointed us back to Christ by seeing the many faults in the Church that led to heresies and eventually apostasy.
 

Cathode

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Mary had other children, unlike the false rc claims

No she didn’t.

John had to take Mary into his home. It’s the strict duty for children to take care of the parents in Jewish culture, so it’s obvious Jesus had no siblings.
Even Luther called Jesus brothers and sisters, His cousins, and those that asserted otherwise as ignorant.
Besides, this is another universal Christian belief for first 1500 years. Mary only had Jesus.
 
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