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JesusFan

Well-Known Member
lolTry again my friend......
Gen4:4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived,
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son
Every cult and ism in he end must deny the truth of the scriptures and must lean upon their founders false doctrines and theology as the truth
 

Zaatar71

Well-Known Member
Every cult and ism in he end must deny the truth of the scriptures and must lean upon their founders false doctrines and theology as the truth
Yes catholics look at this verse in their bible and have to explain it away, like non Cals look at election and predestination and ascribe a different meaning to it, Than the one God has assigned to it!
 

Mur

Member
Wait, there is another very interesting thing I’d like to share, this is what clinched it for me.

It was another universal belief that Mary had no other children, only Jesus.

Universal for over over 1600 years and near universal up 1900 years, just about all Protestant denominations held to Mary only being Mother to Jesus.

Of all the universal beliefs held in Christianity, this one was one of the most consistent, and across the board, even post reformation 400 years into Protestantism.
Universality has a quality of its own, but near universality for an extra 400 years into Protestantism, was extraordinary to find out.

I appreciate your perspective but I am more persuaded by the scriptures. :)
 

Cathode

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I appreciate your perspective but I am more persuaded by the scriptures. :)

This was on top of the Scriptural argument.

The Church everywhere believes the scriptures, strange how the greatest majority of Protestants and Catholics understand it to mean Mary only had Jesus.

I never expected a Marian doctrine to survive so long in Protestantism, protestantism being so changeable.
You might not appreciate it but it fascinates me, it’s like I know the history of a place before visiting it, I can get a lot more from it.
 
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Cathode

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I disagree that the majority of Protestants believe that Mary remained a virgin and didn't have additional children.

To 1900 almost universal among Protestantism.

Is it any wonder then that the lineages down from the Reformation believed the same thing.
Normally Protestantism degrades over time, each man adds his own interpretations over the generations. So that they don’t resemble anything like the founding original bible aloners.

Truth truly is stranger than fiction, I was more sceptical than anyone, especially on a Marian doctrine to 1900.

Today the Bible can mean anything in Bible alonism thus nullifying it, because when the Bible can mean anything, according only with each man’s opinion, then it means nothing.
It reduces Scripture to a battle of opinions and egos, nullifying it, because when one Bible aloner preaches his interpretation and doctrine from his subjective opinion, another Bible aloner will preach the opposite from his subjective opinion of scripture, each of them saying they are guided by The Spirit. So the seeker after the truth, hears all these contrary interpretations and doctrines and gives up on the truth altogether, thus growing the secular society of general disbelief and moral relativism.
If the Bible The Holy Word of God has been made relative from person to person, morality is made relative from person to person as has already been demonstrated in society.

Bible alonism is each man doing what seems right in his own eyes, lawlessness, and this lawlessness is culminating.

If the new Bible alone doctrine was true and Luther was inspired by God to bring it to the world for the first time, then all Bible aloners thereafter would be Lutheran, guided by the same Spirit as Luther.
Each man would be guided to interpret scripture and believe the same doctrines Luther did, despite human frailty.

This is why the Bible alone heresy is manifestly wrong, every interpretation of scripture that deviates from inspired Luther proves it wrong.
 
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Cathode

Well-Known Member
Don't blow a gasket, Cathode!

This video explains it better than I can, although I can add to it.

It's only 1:53.


I couldn’t play the video linked.

The amazing thing I found is Bible aloners are very good at adding their own words to scripture and ignoring what the Scripture actually says, across many doctrines.

Check this short clip.

 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
Paul said the scriptures are sufficient for the man of God to be complete. Was Paul a heretic?

No, Paul didn’t say “sufficient” at all, Protestants add their own words to Scripture again, this is the 4th time now in 2 weeks.

Paul said “profitable” Syn: useful, worthwhile, beneficial, favourable.

So it is useful for the four ends Paul cited for equipping a man of God to be complete, but it doesn’t say sufficient.
I could say a camping book is profitable or useful for certain things, to equip a man of the outdoors to be complete. Doesn’t mean that camping book is sufficient and all the man of the outdoors needs. It would only be topping off to make him complete.

I could say a multi tool is useful for 10 different tasks to equip a man of the outdoors for every campsite chore. Does it mean the multi tool is sufficient and all that is needed.? No.

This adding to Scripture thing people are doing is getting pretty bad.

Anyway, are you complete if you have the wrong interpretation of Scripture?

Who is correct? The Bible aloners who say Baptism is necessary for Salvation or the Bible aloners that say it’s only symbolic?

Both say they are “ Bible alone “, Both say they are guided by The Holy Spirit, Both will cite the relevant verses of Scripture to support their doctrines.

What are they missing? Intelligence?, no. Both sides have very intelligent academics with seminary’s and universities.

Good Will ? Is one side or other malevolent, know they are wrong but teach their errors obstinately. Generally and for the most part no.
They genuinely hold to their convictions from the minds and hearts.

They have all these things. What is missing then?
 
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