Every cult and ism in he end must deny the truth of the scriptures and must lean upon their founders false doctrines and theology as the truth
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Yes catholics look at this verse in their bible and have to explain it away, like non Cals look at election and predestination and ascribe a different meaning to it, Than the one God has assigned to it!
Thank you.
I appreciate your perspective but I am more persuaded by the scriptures.
This was on top of the Scriptural argument.
The Church everywhere believes the scriptures, strange how the greatest majority of Protestants and Catholics understand it to mean Mary only had Jesus.
I never expected a Marian doctrine to survive so long in Protestantism, protestantism being so changeable.
You might not appreciate it but it fascinates me, it’s like I know the history of a place before visiting it, I can get a lot more from it.
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I disagree that the majority of Protestants believe that Mary remained a virgin and didn't have additional children.
To 1900 almost universal among Protestantism.
Is it any wonder then that the lineages down from the Reformation believed the same thing.
Normally Protestantism degrades over time, each man adds his own interpretations over the generations. So that they don’t resemble anything like the founding original bible aloners.
Truth truly is stranger than fiction, I was more sceptical than anyone, especially on a Marian doctrine to 1900.
Today the Bible can mean anything in Bible alonism thus nullifying it, because when the Bible can mean anything, according only with each man’s opinion, then it means nothing.
It reduces Scripture to a battle of opinions and egos, nullifying it, because when one Bible aloner preaches his interpretation and doctrine from his subjective opinion, another Bible aloner will preach the opposite from his subjective opinion of scripture, each of them saying they are guided by The Spirit. So the seeker after the truth, hears all these contrary interpretations and doctrines and gives up on the truth altogether, thus growing the secular society of general disbelief and moral relativism.
If the Bible The Holy Word of God has been made relative from person to person, morality is made relative from person to person as has already been demonstrated in society.
Bible alonism is each man doing what seems right in his own eyes, lawlessness, and this lawlessness is culminating.
If the new Bible alone doctrine was true and Luther was inspired by God to bring it to the world for the first time, then all Bible aloners thereafter would be Lutheran, guided by the same Spirit as Luther.
Each man would be guided to interpret scripture and believe the same doctrines Luther did, despite human frailty.
This is why the Bible alone heresy is manifestly wrong, every interpretation of scripture that deviates from inspired Luther proves it wrong.
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I couldn’t play the video linked.
The amazing thing I found is Bible aloners are very good at adding their own words to scripture and ignoring what the Scripture actually says, across many doctrines.
Check this short clip.
Paul said the scriptures are sufficient for the man of God to be complete. Was Paul a heretic?
No, Paul didn’t say “sufficient” at all, Protestants add their own words to Scripture again, this is the 4th time now in 2 weeks.
Paul said “profitable” Syn: useful, worthwhile, beneficial, favourable.
So it is useful for the four ends Paul cited for equipping a man of God to be complete, but it doesn’t say sufficient.
I could say a camping book is profitable or useful for certain things, to equip a man of the outdoors to be complete. Doesn’t mean that camping book is sufficient and all the man of the outdoors needs. It would only be topping off to make him complete.
I could say a multi tool is useful for 10 different tasks to equip a man of the outdoors for every campsite chore. Does it mean the multi tool is sufficient and all that is needed.? No.
This adding to Scripture thing people are doing is getting pretty bad.
Anyway, are you complete if you have the wrong interpretation of Scripture?
Who is correct? The Bible aloners who say Baptism is necessary for Salvation or the Bible aloners that say it’s only symbolic?
Both say they are “ Bible alone “, Both say they are guided by The Holy Spirit, Both will cite the relevant verses of Scripture to support their doctrines.
What are they missing? Intelligence?, no. Both sides have very intelligent academics with seminary’s and universities.
Good Will ? Is one side or other malevolent, know they are wrong but teach their errors obstinately. Generally and for the most part no.
They genuinely hold to their convictions from the minds and hearts.
They have all these things. What is missing then?
Is every non-Catholic follower of Christ a Protestant?
Why not the Bible alone?
Then take a closer look at the use of 'until" in scripture.I appreciate your perspective but I am more persuaded by the scriptures.
The term “until” (Greek, heōs) commonly indicated a particular state existed to a certain point, as in “John worked at his desk until five o’clock.”
The existing state often changes when the point is reached (thus, at five o’clock, John may go home). But change is not always indicated.
In 2 Samuel 6:23, Saul’s daughter Michal scoffed at King David’s enthusiasm for the Lord, and we read that she had no child “until” the day of her death. The word in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament is heōs. The passage does not mean Michal had a child after the day of her death. It means she never had children.
We see the same in the New Testament. In Matthew 13:33, Jesus tells a parable in which he says, “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” The use of “till” (heōs) does not mean that the leaven was later taken out of the flour.
Similarly, in Matthew 14:22, Jesus is at the Sea of Galilee and “he made the disciples get into the boat and go before him to the other side, while [heōs] he dismissed the crowds.” This does not mean that the disciples turned around and returned to shore as soon as Jesus dismissed the crowds. They continued their journey to the other side, which resulted in their meeting Jesus as he was walking on the water (Matt. 14:25).
Similarly, in Matthew 1:25, the evangelist’s point is that Joseph did not have sex with Mary before Jesus was born. His concern is to emphasize the virgin birth, not to address what happened later. This is consistent with the uses of “until” (heōs) documented above.
Which verse best demonstrates such?
No I wouldn't do that to you, mate.
This guy was with the Church 35 years.
I just watched it, no problems.
“So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” 2 Thess 2:15
Luther famously and deliberately broke from the Apostolic Oral Tradition and took only the Apostolic Written Tradition. Sola Scriptura, Bible alone.
The Apostolic Oral Tradition is the Spoken Word of God, preached by the power of The Holy Spirit which explains the Written Word of God correctly.
The announced Word of God comes in two forms, The Spoken Word of God and the Written Word of God, and they can not be separated.
Paul says to hold to both, which Protestants didn’t, they only took the Written Word, and replaced Apostolic Oral Tradition with many human interpretations of Scripture.
Hence they scattered into many conflicting traditions of men, founded by men on their many conflicting interpretations of Scripture.
The first modern tradition of men has a hint in its name, Lutherans, who founded them I wonder.
I went to the site, but the vid screen didn’t come up, it was blank.
Heading, blank, then article underneath.
The Apostolic tradition can be whatever the RCC wants it to be.