The works because you are saved not the works to get saved.
Those that have done good are those who trusted in Christ and their works do follow them.
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The Eternal Covenant of Grace.
- Thread starter Alan Dale Gross
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The works because you are saved not the works to get saved.
Those that have done good are those who trusted in Christ and their works do follow them.
ROFL, @Charlie24 wants to stamp out 'CALVINISM' (maybe we'll finally have world peace if he succeeds), he wears it on his sleeve, every post he makes reverts to 'CALVINISM'.
You glibly insert that word 'saved' into discussions where 'saved' is nowhere to be found in the text being discussed.
Whatever you say, K, it's ok with me.
Psalms 37:3
"Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed."
Trusting in the Lord is salvation! Doing good follows the trust in the Lord.
It's called being conformed into the image of Christ. The good is all the work of the Holy Spirit through faith.
Any good works that i may have are not mine in reality, they belong to the One who planned, organized, and gave me the privilege to do something in the name of my Christ. He, God the Holy Spirit is One who makes my good works possible through faith.
News for you Charlie, you will never ever stamp out the sweet message of God's Sovereign Grace to His saints, no matter how much you hate it.
You were invited to show it openly, you declined. You claimed to have read much of Gill??? show where he was wrong then! if you read so much, it should be easy to do. Do you have any of his books? here Alan has posted his writing, at least a nice portion of it. You do not have to go far. Just click on the links and show what you claim. You do not do it, because you cannot do it. You cannot explain the idea of a Covenant keeping God, so you avoid it. That would be fine, except you speak of it without showing any knowledge of it. That is the difference. Ask Alan, or BF, Or Martin, or the other men, they can all address it, that is the difference
work though any section he wrote and demonstrate what you say. answer post 19 if you would,Thanks,
I look forward to the day when we will all be in one accord.
Let's let Christ make that determination, we have no authority over the Scripture to convince anyone of anything.
LOL, you can't get enough of it, can you?
Already proven the point I wanted to make.
Us arguing as we have been doing for months will accomplish nothing.
Already proven the point I wanted to make.
Alan Dale Gross
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provided one can not see, or choose to betray God's Word
and not profess:
And yet, they are predominantly a view of Scripture that Apostates will be hard-pressed to say that they have any knowledge of at all, and if called on to interpret them, will flop and flip like a chicken with its head cut off. Why else would you resort to not attempting another 'view'?
Forget it.
There is one interpretation and the collection of links above nails it.
Alan Dale Gross
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Where? Belief in God's Sovereignty includes believing and obeying what God has Revealed in His Word.
There are nothing but problems with "hyper", but I don't think they could ever be 'justified' by alleging Gill led them there.*
Now, if you want to check and see where it is that he may have written about that word 'Justification', in its sense when used concerning the Perspective God has on it, such as where we see God's Perspective in the same kind of way regarding our being considered and stated as our being "Glorified", already in His Mind, etc., in Romans 8:30;
"Moreover whom He did Predestinate, them He also Called: and whom He Called, them He also Justified:
and whom He Justified, them He also Glorified", Gill introduces that like this;
"I have, in a former part of this work, see Body of Doctrinal Divinity, Book II, Chapter 5: Adoption as an Immanent Act & Justification as an Immanent Act, where Justification, is threated as an Immanent and Eternal Act in God; and so it may be said to be from Eternity, and before Faith; and in what sense Justification may be seen as an Imminent Act of God, with a removal of objections, has been shown in the place referred to, above;"
(then, below, we see Gill's belief concerning the believer's Justification, at the Time of their Salvation) "and therefore shall only now discourse concerning Justification, as it terminates in the conscience of a believer; and which the scriptures style Justification by Faith."
Here are some places Gill speaks about Justification being called, "the Righteousness of Faith", #Ro 4:13 and where Justification is when God Justifies "him that Believeth in Jesus," in Doctrinal Divinity~Book 6, Chapter 8: Justification:
(See attached doc., "Justification Gill")
"1. The Efficient Cause of the Pardon of sin and Justification from sin, is God: as God Only can and does Forgive sin, it is His Prerogative, it is Peculiar to Him; so it is God that Justifies the sinner, and He Only; "there is One God, Who Justifies the Circumcision by Faith, and the Uncircumcision through Faith"; that is, that "there is One God, Who Justifies" both Jews and Gentiles, who Believe in Christ, #Mr 2:7 Ro 3:30."
"5b5d. Justification is called, "the Righteousness of Faith", #Ro 4:13 not that Faith is Righteousness, or Righteousness Imputed for Faith, or is the matter of a Justifying Righteousness, or any part of it; but because the Righteousness of Christ is Revealed by Faith, and it is the believer's Faith that lays hold onto Justification, receives Justification, and rejoices in Justification..."
"7b. It is an Act of Justice, as well as of Grace: God is Righteous in all His Ways and Works, and so in this; the Law being Perfectly Fulfilled by Christ, the Surety, both with respect to Precept and Penalty; Justice is Fully Satisfied, and so God is "Just, and the Justifier of him that Believeth in Jesus", #Ro 3:26."
*And now, to remove this seeming difficulty, let it be observed, that the Elect of God may be considered under two different "Heads", 1.) Adam and 2.) Christ, and as related to Two Covenants at one and the same time;
1.) "as they are the Descendants of Adam, they are related to him as a Covenant Head, and as such, sinned in him, and Judgment came upon them all to Condemnation and Death, and so they are, by nature, children of Wrath, even as others.
2.) "But as considered in Christ, they are Loved with an Everlasting Love, Chosen in Him before the World was, and always Viewed and Accounted Righteous in Him, and so secured from Everlasting Wrath and Damnation;
"hence it is no contradiction to say;" again:
1.) "that the Elect of God, as in Adam, and according to the Covenant of Works, are under the Sentence of Condemnation;
2.) "and that as in Christ, and according to the Covenant of Grace, and the Secret Transactions thereof, they are Justified, and Saved from Condemnation.
"This is no more a contradiction, than that they were Loved with an Everlasting Love, and yet are children of Wrath, at one and the same time, as they most certainly are;
"nor than that Jesus Christ was the Object of His Father's Love and Wrath at the same time, He Sustaining Two Different Capacities, and Standing in Two Different Relations, when He Suffered in the Room and Stead of His people;
While, "as the Son of God He was Always the Object of God's Love; as the Surety of His people, Bearing their sins, and Suffering for them, He was the Object of God's Wrath,
as we see in Psalm 89:38;"
"But Thou hast Cast Off and Abhorred,
Thou hast been Wroth with Thine Anointed."
In the Englishman's Concordance, the word used in the KJV called 'wroth' is hiṯ·‘ab·bar·tā — of which there is 1 Occurrence
in Psalm 89:38;
HEB: זָ֭נַחְתָּ וַתִּמְאָ֑ס הִ֝תְעַבַּ֗רְתָּ עִם־ מְשִׁיחֶֽךָ׃
NAS: and rejected, You have been full of wrath against
KJV: and abhorred, thou hast been wroth with thine anointed.
English Standard Version
But now you have cast off and rejected; you are full of wrath against your anointed.
NASB 1995
But You have cast off and rejected, You have been full of wrath against Your anointed.
NASB 1977
But Thou hast cast off and rejected, Thou hast been full of wrath against Thine anointed.
Legacy Standard Bible
But You have cast off and rejected, You have been full of wrath against Your anointed.
Amplified Bible
But [in apparent contradiction of all this] You [the faithful LORD] have cast off and rejected; You have been full of wrath against Your anointed.
New Revised Standard Version
But now you have spurned and rejected him; you are full of wrath against your anointed.
A Faithful Version
But You have cast off and rejected us; You have been full of wrath against Your anointed.
etc.
Let me guess, the 'Calvinists' you know are 'Reformed Baptists', or other products of the Reformation?
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