Imputed Righteousness

[KenH]

All through the Scripture God is pleading with Israel to keep His commandments but would not.

As they were ordained to do, just as those who Jude described:

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.

 

[Charlie24]

As they were ordained to do, just as those who Jude described:

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.

How does the Calvinist Dictionary interpret this.

Isaiah 1:18-20

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."

 

[Charlie24]

How does the Calvinist Dictionary interpret this.

Isaiah 1:18-20

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."

Notice the "If you be willing."

 

[Van]

All of God's elect from the beginning of time go to Heaven when they die to be with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are not put into some holding cell for thousands of years.

Yet another disruptive and diversionary post claiming someone suggested there is a wait under the New Covenant. Gibberish.

 

[Charlie24]

Notice the "If you be willing."

When the Sovereign God asked "if you be willing" was He lowering His standard of Sovereignty or are you misunderstanding His Sovereignty altogether?

 

[Van]

It ever ends with you, Van.

They were accepted by God through faith just as we are, Justification by faith.

I answer questions, rather than change the subject, or engage in diversion.

Did anyone say the OT saints were NOT accepted through credited faith? Nope.

Did he say why the OT saints did not enter heaven when they physically died? Nope

People are individually chosen for salvation during their physical lives. This is the truth this poster never ends trying to hide.

 

[Charlie24]

I answer questions, rather than change the subject, or engage in diversion.

Did anyone say the OT saints were NOT accepted through credited faith? Nope.

Did he say why the OT saints did not enter heaven when they physically died? Nope

People are individually chosen for salvation during their physical lives. This is the truth this poster never ends trying to hide.

You can't possibly believe I'm a Calvinist, believing God individually chooses who will be saved!!!

From one absurdity to the next. I can't have conversation with you, Van, it's just ridiculous.

 

[Silverhair]

And God's elect, during their lifetime, by the enabling power of God to make them willing, will have saving faith in the finished work of Christ and repent from dead works.

Those God reprobated, during their lifetime, will not be enabled by the power of God and made willing, and will not have saving faith in the finished work of Christ nor repent from dead works.

So lets look at what you have just posted @KenH

1] God's elect will be enabled/made willing to trust in Him.

2] God reprobate will not be enabled/not made willing to trust in Him.

So since God desires all to come to repentance and He could enable all people but He chose to not enable the vast majority of people does that not seem odd to you.

Your theology actually has God working against Himself. Or at best He is conflicted.

But in your post you have overlooked one of the main points of calvinism/SG your "elect" were chosen B4 creation thus the reprobates were also chosen B4 creation.

According to the C/SG view they never had the chance of it not happening just as God determined.

Your philosophy has just negated these verses
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

 

[Silverhair]

Besides replying to you, I posted it so that any of God's elect, whom the Holy Spirit has already regenerated and granted the gifts of faith and repentance, who may read it, might be strengthened and encouraged, and so that, if it is God's will, any of His elect who have not been regenerated as of yet might be assisted in their hearing of the gospel of the finished work of Christ on their behalf, for their salvation, that God prepared before the world began.

Do you not believe you were chosen B4 creation. Were you not one of the "elect"?

Your post is rather confusing on that Ken.

 

[JesusFan]

This is a misunderstanding of Total Depravity, to the point that man has no ability of his own to do anything but obey God.

This is where so many claim the Calvinists as robots.

They refuse to accept that man can say NO to God if he so chooses.

Not robots, but we take seriously that lost sinners are slaves to the flesh, and do not desire to come to God to get saved, as we would rather stay in the darkness and "play being own God"

 

[Charlie24]

Not robots, but we take seriously that lost sinners are slaves to the flesh, and do not desire to come to God to get saved, as we would rather stay in the darkness and "play being own God"

But what about the Judgment, God will not have called these sinners to repentance, He left them in the dark. He didn't even die for them giving them no chance, according to Calvinism.

How will God justify Himself when they ask why they were not given a chance.

You know as well as I this is not the character of the Sovereign God we serve.

Most Calvinists will say God can do whatever He wants, He answers to no man.

But yet the Scripture says He desires all men everywhere to repent and come to the knowledge of truth.

 

[Silverhair]

But what about the Judgment, God will not have called these sinners to repentance, He left them in the dark. He didn't even die for them giving them no chance, according to Calvinism.

How will God justify Himself when they ask why they were not given a chance.

You know as well as I this is not the character of the Sovereign God we serve.

Most Calvinists will say God can do whatever He wants, He answers to no man.

But yet the Scripture says He desires all men everywhere to repent and come to the knowledge of truth.

The normal reply from calvinist is, well it is a mystery or God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

They will not face the flawed logic of their position.

 

[Van]

You can't possibly believe I'm a Calvinist, believing God individually chooses who will be saved!!!

From one absurdity to the next. I can't have conversation with you, Van, it's just ridiculous.

More nonsense, more diversion from the fact people are individually chosen for salvation during their physical lifetime, not before creation.

Now he does not, or says he does not, believe God individually chooses who will be saved. I kid you not...

God does not impute the righteousness of God, He makes people righteous by the washing of regeneration.

 

[Charlie24]

More nonsense, more diversion from the fact people are individually chosen for salvation during their physical lifetime, not before creation.

Now he does not, or says he does not, believe God individually chooses who will be saved. I kid you not...

God does not impute the righteousness of God, He makes people righteous by the washing of regeneration.

Ok Van, whatever you say.

 

[Van]

Time and again, differing posters make or seem to make this claim, we, those saved, became righteous because God imputed or declared or credited as as righteous.

I believe this view is absolutely bogus.

Let us consider this view from scripture.

Romans 4:6 NASB
just as David also speaks of the blessing of the person to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

Here many apparently believe this verse say God causes a person to be righteous by crediting or imputing or declaring the person righteous.
But contextually, since the previous verse says God credits a person's faith as righteous, the same idea is probably in view. In other words blessings upon the person whose faith God credits as righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 says that if we are found spiritually "in Him," but we, not having a righteousness of our own derived from the Law, but having a righteousness that is through Jesus Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of credited faith. Thus we are made righteous, not by imputation or being credited as being righteous, but by the washing of regeneration, the circumcision of Christ.

Summary, If God decides to credit our faith as righteousness to us, that does not make us righteous, but based on crediting our faith as righteousness, God then transfers us spiritually into Christ where we undergo the washing of regeneration which makes us righteous.

Last point, we become the righteousness of God only when we are "in Him."

 

[Van]

The Canons of Dort (1618-1619)​

1. Man is depraved, and has no ability to contribute to his own salvation, or merit the merits of Christ.
2. Election is unconditional depending only on the sovereign choice of God.
3. The atonement is limited to the elect. A definite redemption was made.
4. God’s grace is irresistible.
5. The saints will persevere in the faith, being kept by the power of God. Their salvation is certain.

https://www.
sovereigngracebaptistchurch.net/what-we-believe

SNIP

1. Luke 13:24 demonstrates man, in his depraved fallen state, has the ability to seek God without the compulsion or enablement of irresistible grace.
2. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 teaches we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, thus our individual election is conditional.
3. 1 Timothy 2:6 teaches Christ died for all people, even those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1
4. Luke 13:24 and Matthew 23:13 demonstrate the lost are able to seek and to find, yet can still be prevented from entering the kingdom. Thus God's grace of invitation is not irresistible.
5. Yes, 1 Peter 1:3-5 teaches we are kept by the power of God, so once saved, always saved.

 

[Charlie24]

Time and again, differing posters make or seem to make this claim, we, those saved, became righteous because God imputed or declared or credited as as righteous.

I believe this view is absolutely bogus.

Let us consider this view from scripture.

Romans 4:6 NASB
just as David also speaks of the blessing of the person to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

Here many apparently believe this verse say God causes a person to be righteous by crediting or imputing or declaring the person righteous.
But contextually, since the previous verse says God credits a person's faith as righteous, the same idea is probably in view. In other words blessings upon the person whose faith God credits as righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 says that if we are found spiritually "in Him," but we, not having a righteousness of our own derived from the Law, but having a righteousness that is through Jesus Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of credited faith. Thus we are made righteous, not by imputation or being credited as being righteous, but by the washing of regeneration, the circumcision of Christ.

Summary, If God decides to credit our faith as righteousness to us, that does not make us righteous, but based on crediting our faith as righteousness, God then transfers us spiritually into Christ where we undergo the washing of regeneration which makes us righteous.

Last point, we become the righteousness of God only when we are "in Him."

Most posters say that because they have read, "Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness."

It's justification by faith, what do you call it?

 

[Van]

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness?

Folks we know how all those who believe in "unconditional election" would answer the question, they would say NO, since according to their doctrine of total spiritual inability the lost are unable to seek God or trust in Christ. Never mind Luke 13:24

How would Arminians answer the question. They say God foresaw individuals before creation with foreseen faith, and chose them. It gets a little sketchy when we consider just how God knew their innermost beliefs, before He created their minds to hold such beliefs. It is a do loop, God creates our human spirit within us, thus a unique life force within the fertilized human egg. But when He creates the individual, He already knows every thought and decision that individual will ever make, including those made by "chance." Yep, hangs together quite well...

What if God chooses individuals for salvation through credited faith? That would mean God did not choose individuals through foreseen faith. When did God credit Abraham's faith? After Abraham came to have that faith during his lifetime. The crediting occurs in the present, not before creation. Is that the problem? I do not know...

 

[Van]

Romans 4:5 NASB
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Folks, some might think Abraham was credited with righteousness, but scripture is clear, it is his faith, and not himself, that was credited. We know Abraham become the righteousness of God, because Abraham went to Abraham's bosom, not heaven until after Christ provided His blood sacrifice for the sin of the world, fallen humanity.

 

[Brightfame52]

"IF thou shalt confess the Lord Jesus..." Rom. 10:9-10

What does the IF mean, BF?

I will pay you $500 IF you will help me do some work.

What does the IF mean?

Paul doesn't preach any condition for salvation, that is works. Look the word if up if you want to know and study it.