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Mary and the recent Papal teaching
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Rome still sees her as being Intercessor, and as Mother of god, and as top among all in heaven saved for the Trinity themselves
I notice you don't capitalize 'god' but capitalize 'Mother' just like the Jehovahs Witnesses when referring to Mary's role as Theotokos. Jesus is GOD, Mary is His mother. The Early Church referred to her as Theotokos, as we continue to honor her with this title today. And, no, we don't place her as TOP among heaven. That shows ignorance of Catholic teaching. You need to read The Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is biblically supported and you will learn your presumptuous attitude about what 'Rome' really teaches is in error
You have been here for years 'Yeshua1. I actually know you have has ample time to actually learn what the Catholic Church teaches.
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Nestorianism is a Christian theological view, named after Nestorius, which holds that Jesus Christ is composed of two separate persons: one human and one divine, rather than two natures united in a single person. This doctrine was condemned as heretical by the Council of Ephesus in 431 and the Council of Chalcedon in 451, which affirmed that Christ is one person with two natures without division. A key point of contention was the title for Mary; Nestorius rejected the term "Theotokos" (Mother of God), arguing she was the mother of the human Christ, not God.
No objection to Mary Mother of God the Son
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No. He was born the Man Jesus. He was always the Son and aways God. Per John 1:1-3, but through Mary became the Man, per John 1:14. And He caused it, per John 1:3.
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So Mary was the Mother of the Son of God, correct? She was 'God bearer' or Theotokos.
I'm glad you did, Cathode!
I would like to hear your general thoughts on the Popes statement.
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No. Jesus was always Son of God. Mary was caused to be the mother of Jesus the Son of Man. John 1:1-3, John 1:14. He did not cease to be the Son of God and God, John 3:13, too. Luke 1:35.
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Never said He ever ceased to be the Son of God. He is the Alpha and Omega. That's my point. You have people posting here saying Mary was not Mother to the Son of God, only 'the human Jesus' as if His Divinity was absent at his birth. So many Baptists are intent on making Mary a person who should not be honored in any way. She said the perfect yes to God. 'Be it done unto me according to Thy will'.
Again, Elizabeth referred to the Blessed Virgin as 'the Mother of my Lord'.
But Walter, Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit, what part of His deity did Mary have anything to do with?
She is blessed of all women, I agree, but she has no more power with God than any other person.
Her last recorded words in Scripture are telling! She said, "whatever He (Christ) says unto you, do it."
No where in Scripture is she this mediator that some claim.
Charlie, I never said she created His Divinity. I believe God makes it clear in Gen. 3:15 what her role would play. I also agree with Pope Leo's resent clarification on what the Church teaches about her.
I said that in reference to you believing Mary was the mother of the Son of God.
No one would say that without some sort of implication of Mary having power with God.
What is your reason for associating the deity part of Christ with Mary?
Actually, Charlie, another Baptist said it on this thread first. Are you saying this Baptist is implying Mary 'has some power with God'?
I wasn't talking to another Baptist, I asked Walter the question.
What is your reason for associating the deity part of Christ with Mary?