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Imputed Righteousness is False Doctrine
- Thread starter Van
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Yes all of scripture teaches we are given the Righteousness of God by the blood of the Lamb.
I have shown not one of the OT saints were made the righteousness of God, until after Christ died. Thus they were never imputed with the Righteousness of God. Their sins were temporarily covered, robed in righteousness, but not removed, because that action required the suffering and death of Christ.
Romans 4:3 teaches Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. Thus God crediting a person's faith as righteousness does NOT result in the person, NOT his or her faith, becoming the Righteousness of God. Otherwise the OT saints would not have had to wait in Abraham's bosom to be made perfect after Christ died on the cross.
Yes, Romans 4:6 says God credits "righteousness" to the OT Saints, resulting in their sins being temporarily covered. But note these verses nor any others say God credits to them the Righteousness of God. Their faith alone was credited as righteousness.
And Romans 4:9, 11 says "faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness. Every born anew believe has had their faith also credited, as we all had a faith "like Abraham's." Romans 4:16 NLT
Romans 4:3 teaches Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. Thus God crediting a person's faith as righteousness does NOT result in the person, NOT his or her faith, becoming the Righteousness of God. Otherwise the OT saints would not have had to wait in Abraham's bosom to be made perfect after Christ died on the cross.
Yes, Romans 4:6 says God credits "righteousness" to the OT Saints, resulting in their sins being temporarily covered. But note these verses nor any others say God credits to them the Righteousness of God. Their faith alone was credited as righteousness.
And Romans 4:9, 11 says "faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness. Every born anew believe has had their faith also credited, as we all had a faith "like Abraham's." Romans 4:16 NLT
I think I understand you but I couldn’t be sure. I can see as I read that you are upset with people who are talking to you. If you continue to ask the same questions and double down on your statement, I will continue to misunderstand your intentions.
You asked someone to explain why they believe X. I wanted you to rephrase X because I still don’t understand what you mean by it when you asked someone to explain why they believe it.
Also could you now explain the grammar behind the sentence in the quote that I have in bold and italics.
I assumed that the reason I misunderstood was grammar initially. Now I have more trouble understanding you because this is another word that you use in a way that I don’t comprehend.
Pretend I’m your five year old grandson and explain it to me in a way that I can understand.
If it is worth explaining, it is worth the time. I am in earnest. I am not making fun.
What we have here is a non-denial denial...
What they falsely claim is we are made the righteousness of God by imputation and not by the blood of the Lamb.
Note the title of the thread...
Ben asks for an explanation a 5 year old can understand. I understand personal incredulity is a fallacious argument.
Here is my guess at the question Ben claims not to understand: "Explain how Christ as a "made sinner was just.?"
Ben says he does not understand the question, perhaps because of the grammar.
Explain asks Ben to tell me how Christ, as a made sinner could be just.
First we start with Christ sacrificing His life, the just (Christ) for the unjust (fallen humanity).
Fallen humanity can not be considered just as we were "made sinners" thus unjust.
Christ can not be considered just if He too was a made sinner.
Therefore no one with a rational mind can explain the false claim Christ was made a sinner, what many mistranslations of 2 Corinthians 5:21 say.
The correct translation would read, God treated Christ as sin on our behalf.
Here is my guess at the question Ben claims not to understand: "Explain how Christ as a "made sinner was just.?"
Ben says he does not understand the question, perhaps because of the grammar.
Explain asks Ben to tell me how Christ, as a made sinner could be just.
First we start with Christ sacrificing His life, the just (Christ) for the unjust (fallen humanity).
Fallen humanity can not be considered just as we were "made sinners" thus unjust.
Christ can not be considered just if He too was a made sinner.
Therefore no one with a rational mind can explain the false claim Christ was made a sinner, what many mistranslations of 2 Corinthians 5:21 say.
The correct translation would read, God treated Christ as sin on our behalf.
You can copy and paste these Calvinist fictions till the cows come home, we are not made the righteousness of God by imputation. We are made the righteousness of God by the blood of Jesus.
Yet another post of gibberish, avoiding the issue that we did not become the righteousness of God by imputation.
You can copy and paste these Calvinist fictions till the cows come home, we are not made the righteousness of God by imputation. We are made the righteousness of God by the blood of Jesus.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Another rant against the gospel by Van.
Folks, seriously, do not follow after Van and his false teaching on the vitally important subject of standing before God clothed with the perfect righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Surety for His people, God's elect.
Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.
(emphasis mine)
Yet another post of gibberish, running away from truth. avoiding the issue that we did not become the righteousness of God by imputation.
I do not believe any of these naysayers even know that the righteousness of God refers to Christ being without sin, and we also become without sin, by the washing of regeneration in Him.
The washing of regeneration is not imputation.
LOL, now we have the we were declared righteous after we were made the righteousness of God by the washing of regeneration. I kid you not...