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Calvinism Made Me Doubt My Salvation

Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Do you now deny the resurrection of Christ causes one to be born again according to 1 Pet 1:3 ?
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1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Why would I BF? That is just what I have been telling you over and over and which you have denied over and over.

1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

I do think you may actually be coming around to a biblical view of salvation.
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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Silverhair said:
@Ben1445 you have to understand that the concept of free will is beyond the ability of @Mikoo to grasp.
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It is hard to grasp. When we believe something it becomes apparent to us that it is true first. How much of that is under our own willful control? I honestly don't know. I don't think I can will myself to love Christ or even see the danger of not coming to him on my own. Yet, at some point I do indeed "decide" to come to Christ. Strong Calvinists warn people to repent and believe. That is an appeal to our will. The warnings, scriptures, preaching and teaching are all appeals to our rational minds with the idea being that we might change someone's mind on the subject. Even Owen, who no one doubts is a Calvinist, said all interactions of rational creatures with God are in a sense based on our rational minds.

I don't think you can will yourself autonomously, to desire something or love something, and that is a big problem for us. But it's also true that if our free is not in operation at some level then 90% of the interactions in scripture between God and man are completely bogus.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Yes of course, Christ saved them before they trusted in Him. Their trust is they were saved by Him. Your trust is He didn't save anyone.
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Then if one is saved prior to trusting in Christ then everyone is saved as no one trusted in Christ prior to actually doing so.

Also if one is saved prior to trusting in Christ why is faith even necessary?

Your logic is flawed BF.

To correct your comment BF.

Only those that have freely trusted in the risen Christ will be saved. His death did not save anyone, the resurrected Christ does.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Because that is what we see in scripture BF
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That is what you see in scripture, that Christ death doesn't save anyone. See I believe that Christ death/Blood saved them He died for and so they are given faith in His Blood Rom 3:25

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

But you obviously don't have faith in Christ blood since you don't see where it saved anyone.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
The is calvinism not the bible BF.

You are trusting in a man-made religion and continue to ignore the clear word of God.
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That's Bible, spiritual wisdom and knowledge is not given to everyone Matt 13:11

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
That is what you see in scripture, that Christ death doesn't save anyone. See I believe that Christ death/Blood saved them He died for and so they are given faith in His Blood Rom 3:25

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

But you obviously don't have faith in Christ blood since you don't see where it saved anyone.
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BF the fact that you twist the word of God does not make your version true.

Propitiation does not mean that we are forgiven but that the wrath of an offended one, God, has been turned away. We see this here and also 1Jn_4:10 and Rom_3:25
The wrath turned away is the wrath of God;
The person making the propitiation is Christ;
The propitiating offering or sacrifice is his blood.

Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Christ Jesus was the propitiation {the atoning sacrifice that turns away wrath} through His blood.

We are not saved at the cross BF we are saved by faith in the risen Christ.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
That's Bible, spiritual wisdom and knowledge is not given to everyone Matt 13:11

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
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I agree BF. those that have freely trusted in the risen Christ will be given more knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

That does not support your contention that only some are allowed to believe or that God picked out a select group to save. That is just the false teachings of calvinism.

If you would learn to read things in context you would not continue to make so many logical errors in your religious views.

Parables may provide a pictorial way to teach truth, but they are more than just illustrations. Their purpose is to make the hearers think about the teaching. Those who gladly receive Jesus’ teaching will find the parables full of meaning. As a result their ability to understand God’s truth will increase. But those who have no genuine interest in Jesus’ teaching will see no meaning in the parables at all. Worse still, their spiritual blindness will become darker, and their stubborn hearts more hardened. Because their wills are opposed to Jesus, their minds cannot appreciate his teaching, and consequently their sins remain unforgiven Bridgeway Bible Commentary
 
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