Brightfame52
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Of course u dont see it, and cant see it, not my problem you cant see it in scripture
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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 2
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Silverhair
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Funny how you say it is in scripture but you do not provide scripture to support your false view.
But we do see this
Gen 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.
Gen 3:18 "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field;
Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."
And this
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
Because Adam died we all die. That was the result of his sin and we all pay the price for that but we are not now and never have been in Adam. That is just a calvinist fiction.
Brightfame52
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I have but you dont see it
Silverhair
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BF you have made comments but you have not provided any scripture to support your view.
It 's always the same thing with you BF. You do not answer questions and do not support your false views.
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Brightfame52
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I have but you dont see it
Silverhair
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It is obvious that you do not have any scripture that supports your view BF
Saying you have shown it means nothing BF. Proved the verses.
The fact you cannot just shows how shallow your view is.
Brightfame52
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Again you cant see it
Silverhair
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BF how am I supposed to see what is in a verse that you never provide.
You are hollow drum, you just make a lot of noise.
Brightfame52
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Christs objective in giving Himself for those He died, wasnt to make their deliverance possible, but to actually deliver them from the evil world according to the will/purpose of God Gal 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
That word will is the greek word thelēma:
what one wishes or has determined shall be done
Does any of this will of God sounds potential ? 2
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
That word will is the greek word thelēma:
what one wishes or has determined shall be done
- of the purpose of God to bless mankind through Christ
Does any of this will of God sounds potential ? 2
Brightfame52
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Stop all he small talk and read post 82 and respond to that please
Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 2
God chose us as foreseen individuals before we were created. What alternate interpretation is possible? God chose us not individually but corporately, Apples for oranges, God did choose the whole body of individual members in Christ before the foundation to be His Bride. The word corporate...
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Silverhair
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BF since Christ died as the propitiation for the whole world does that mean that the whole world is saved?
Since He draws all people does that means that all are saved?
While He made salvation possible for all people only those that freely trust in Him will be saved.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Even the verse you quote shows it as potential salvation BF. The desire {will} of God is that all come to repentance, salvation, 1Ti 2:3-4 are all saved?
Silverhair
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If a person does not believe in Christ Jesus then are they saved BF?
While God desires all to be saved are all saved?
Salvation is possible for anyone but it is potential salvation, if they do not believe they will not be saved.
What do you not understand about this BF?
Do you think anyone born with a guarantee of salvation?
Brightfame52
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Do you understand the post ? Lets discuss the scripture I highlighted right quick
Brightfame52
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Lets discuss post 82
Silverhair
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I would ask you the same question BF. What do you not understand about my post?
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Brightfame52
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Then what was my point ? Explain it even though you dont believe
Brightfame52
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Okay, so what did I start the discussion off with ? Explain
Brightfame52
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Blasphemy against the saving Person and death of Christ, which saved them He died for !
Silverhair
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BF you have to explain your view. I have told you why I do not believe your view and given you scripture that shows your view is wrong.
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