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Thoughts on Justification

Silverhair

Silverhair

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percho said:
@Silverhair stated in post 94 We were not saved at the cross. I say in the span of three days and three nights we were saved through the faith.

The faith was the obedience of Jesus unto death, even the death of the cross. That is why we can be justified, in Jesus.
Because Jesus the Son, learned H5:7,8 became Phil2:8 obedient unto death, shed the life of him in the blood of him, poured out his soul unto death, for our justification, God the Father raised him from the dead. Rom 4:24,25 also Phil 2:8,9 See Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,


I believe, "the faith," equals have, faith of God. The Father had faith the Son would give his life's blood and the Son had faith the Father would save him out of death. Rom 3:25 and Heb 5:7,8

I believe, people believe, because God calls them and gives them the Spirit unto belief of truth.
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Having read what you just posted and knowing whom Christ died for. Then I have too ask if you are a universalist?

God calls all people to Himself Joh 12:32.

If you say we are saved because of Christ's faith then who is excluded from salvation?
 
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Brightfame52

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percho said:
@Silverhair stated in post 94 We were not saved at the cross.
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Which I consider blasphemy, and you agree with that ?
percho said:
I say in the span of three days and three nights we were saved through the faith.

The faith was the obedience of Jesus unto death, even the death of the cross.
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When its said Christ saved by His death, the dbr is a package deal. In other words to say He saved by His death is no different than saying He saves by His death burial and resurrection. His death burial confirm the legal aspect of His work and His resurrection confirms the Spiritual aspect of His work and His present intercession guarantees

all spiritual application

percho said:
That is why we can be justified, in Jesus
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Can be ? Thats sounds like some reservation here. Explain can be. Either we are or we are not Justified by the faithfulness of Christ.
percho said:
Because Jesus the Son, learned H5:7,8 became Phil2:8 obedient unto death, shed the life of him in the blood of him, poured out his soul unto death, for our justification, God the Father raised him from the dead. Rom 4:24,25 also Phil 2:8,9 See Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,
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Agreed

percho said:
I believe, "the faith," equals have, faith of God. The Father had faith the Son would give his life's blood and the Son had faith the Father would save him out of death. Rom 3:25 and Heb 5:7,8
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What is "equals have,faith of God ?
percho said:
I believe, people believe, because God calls them and gives them the Spirit unto belief of truth.
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agreed

However since you agree with @Silverhair , that Christs death doesnt save anyone, you are very inconsistent and shows doublemindness, thats not good
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Which I consider blasphemy, and you agree with that ?
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As Paul said and which I have stated many times on here and you continue to disagree with.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

Your calvinist position is that we are saved by the Christ that is on the cross. That He died only for the calvinist elect. You constantly ignore the resurrection.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Thats just the elect
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That is not what the text says BF.

Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”

Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

You are reading your calvinist view into the text again BF. That only leads to a false understanding of the word of God.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
As Paul said and which I have stated many times on here and you continue to disagree with.
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Paul never taught your blasphemy that the death of Christ saved nobody. In fact Paul gloried in the Cross/Death of Christ for what it did for Him Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

In essence the Cross/Death of Christ brought about his conversion from the world
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Paul never taught your blasphemy that the death of Christ saved nobody. In fact Paul gloried in the Cross/Death of Christ for what it did for Him Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

In essence the Cross/Death of Christ brought about his conversion from the world
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So you still deny that we are saved by our trust in the risen Christ.

As Paul said BF 1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

I boast in the cross BF but I point people to the risen Christ. You on the other hand stop short of that thus according to Paul you are still in your sins.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Thats what it means. Its all the Father has given Him Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

That the elect
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BF you are confusing things

Here we are being told about salvation through faith in Christ Jesus

Joh 6:37 Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.
Joh 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.
Joh 6:40 For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Here we are being told about why Christ would go to the cross

Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”

Are everyone "the calvinist elect" BF?


We see the truth clearly pointed out here

Joh 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

Christ draws all but only those that freely believe will be saved/given to Christ.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Your comment that I do not agree with your view means nothing BF.
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Ive shown you much scripture truth and you have rejected it because you dont see it. You dont even acknowledge the Truth plainly stated in Rom 5:19 How according to this verse shall many be made righteous?

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Ive shown you much scripture truth and you have rejected it because you dont see it. You dont even acknowledge the Truth plainly stated in Rom 5:19 How according to this verse shall many be made righteous?

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous
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BF we have been over this more than once and you just will not accept the biblical truth. By the obedience of Christ many, the whole world, have the ability to be made righteous but only those that freely trust in Him will be made righteous.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
But you dont trust in the risen Christ, you said His Death doesnt save anyone. Your testimony is Lord, your death didnt actually save me, but I trust you.
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BF are you a fool? That you can say what you just did shows that you have little understanding of the word of God.

You just ignore scripture that does not fit your false religion.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.
1Co 15:15 In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.

Joh 20:31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Faith in the risen Christ is required BF. You think one is saved by trusting in the Christ that was not raised.
 
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