Automatic Salvation?

[Silverhair]

Why this poster is allowed to disrupt discussion is beyond me. Does God decide whether the lost person's faith is "good enough?" Who said that. Nobody. God crediting the lost person's faith as righteousness is an act of mercy, as that person with that faith deserves condemnation.

Salvation does NOT depend upon the person who wills, but upon God who has mercy.

Then why do you have such a problem with the scripture I posted?

It is clear that if you believe you are saved. No if's and's or but's.

God has set the condition of salvation, belief in His risen son. He did not say then I have to decide if I will credit that faith did He.

You by your well God has to credit that faith have introduced the question of whether the faith is good enough.

That sound's a lot like a works type faith you are promoting.

 

[Ascetic X]

This definitely sounds like “automatic salvation”.

First John, chapter 2

22 And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

23 Anyone who denies the Son doesn’t have the Father, either. But anyone who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

24 So you must remain faithful to what you have been taught from the beginning. If you do, you will remain in fellowship with the Son and with the Father.

25 And in this fellowship we enjoy the eternal life he promised us.

First John, chapter 5

1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.

5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

 

[JesusFan]

Totally off topic, the issue is who decides whether or not, a person believes such that God then chooses to transfer the person spiritually into Christ.

God the Father altready had chosen them to be found in Christ from etrnity past

 

[37818]

Matthew 19:14, But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

 

[37818]

God the Father altready had chosen them to be found in Christ from etrnity past

Titus 1:2, In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; . . . .

 

[Van]

Can it be shown in the New Testament when a person believed in Jesus Christ, but their faith was rejected because not deep or sincere enough?

We must believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, not just agree that He exists.

Automatic salvation indicates God performing what He has promised.

Aside from individuals pretending to believe, or believing superficially, and not truly exercising genuine faith, I see no reason to think that once we do believe in Jesus Christ, more has to happen to achieve salvation. Authentic faith must produce fruit or works that coincide with faith, but we are saved by grace through faith.

Nowhere in scriptures do I see anything like “believe in Jesus Christ as Son of God and your personal Lord, then maybe God will credit that faith as righteousness, but maybe He will not.”


Acts 8:12, 37

12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”

And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”




Romans 4

3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,

13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [a]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,

24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

If we need "authentic faith" would that not be a salvation that depends upon the person who wills?

Romans Chapter 4 indicates God credits the faith of those who believe God raised Jesus from the dead. So maybe God does not credit the "faith" of those whose faith may not fully recognize the supernatural power of God.

 

[Van]

God the Father altready had chosen them to be found in Christ from etrnity past

One group says we are saved automatically when we believe in our own estimation, yet another group says we are saved then our belief is instilled by irresistible grace. I kid you not...

 

[Van]

Then why do you have such a problem with the scripture I posted?

It is clear that if you believe you are saved. No if's and's or but's.

God has set the condition of salvation, belief in His risen son. He did not say then I have to decide if I will credit that faith did He.

You by your well God has to credit that faith have introduced the question of whether the faith is good enough.

That sound's a lot like a works type faith you are promoting.

Once again, a post addressing me and avoiding the issue of who decides whether or not the lost person believes. Pretty simple question. Only a deceiver would fail to answer it.

Jesus knew from the beginning, when the disciples joined His entourage, whose belief was valid. John 6:64

 

[Van]

We are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul. Matthew 22:37 If we believe in the name of Christ to a degree, but still treasure some things of this world on an equal footing, like Soil #3 of Matthew 13, does scripture suggest God might not credit that sort of belief as righteousness? I say Yes.

 

[Van]

If we look at 1 John 5: we see that everyone who believes Jesus is the Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah, and everyone who loves the Father, loves those born of Him. So the verse leaves the question unanswered, who decides whether or not the person "believes" Jesus in the Christ.

In 1 John 5:10 we see that the one who believes into the Son of God, has the testimony within themselves. When God credits your faith as righteousness, He transfers you into Christ where you undergo the washing of regeneration, thus being made alive together with Christ, being in Christ and Christ being in you. But all this turns of God crediting or not, your belief, and if He does, He then puts you into Christ spiritually.

 

[37818]

If we need "authentic faith" would that not be a salvation that depends upon the person who wills?

No.
John 1:12-13, . . . as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Van]

No.
John 1:12-13, . . . as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

LOL, who decides whether a person "receives Him?" All this stonewalling, all these deflections from the issue come from the fount of deception. Easy Believism is false doctrine, just as Automatic Salvation is false doctrine.

Bottom line, the claim that God does not decide who "believes into Him" and who does not is a destructive heresy. Automatic salvation when we say the right words is a fiction.

The only "authentic faith" no matter its content, is faith credited by God as righteousness. Salvation does not depend upon the person who wills or does stuff, but upon God alone. Romans 9:16