Where is heaven?

[Oseas3]

1) Neither Jude 1:6-7, nor Genesis 6:4 is germane to the location of Paradise. However, Paradise and the third heaven, not the fourth heaven, are equated in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.

2) Matthew 8:22 is NOT germane to the location of Paradise. The idea is actually that we, followers of Christ, must stay focused on the job at hand, leading those still with the opportunity of salvation, to Christ.

3) Scripture does NOT tell us what became of Elijah's physical body, the conjecture of people not withstanding.

4) My post did NOT address the New Heaven God will establish at the end of the age.

5) Yes, my thinking and interpretation of scripture is from my human perspective, as enlightened by my Helper, sent to guide me.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.
Paul Apostle through his epistle 1Corinthians 2:14 left very clear, saying: -> 14 The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Oseas3]

Try addressing the actual topic, rather than disparaging others or changing the subject to your off topic conjectures.

John 3
34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.

 

[Oseas3]

Lower your hopes that he will do anything of the kind. He uses just about any thread to cut & paste his dogmatic interpretations in which if you challenge you are either demonic or Hell bound. You will notice he will address you as 'brother' until you disagree with him and then you better 'be prepared or get ready'!

Very prideful, arrogant and judgmental as another BB member has noted.

The adherents of the apostate Church of Rome, the IDOLATER Roman Catholic Church, guided by the religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, they all fell into the traps of Devil in the blackness of the darkness. Spiritually they all are blind, guided by blinds, the Popes, the Papacy.

Paul Apostle wrote to the Curch of Rome, suying unto them by his epistle:->Romans 1:18-25:->

18 For the wrath of GOD is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew GOD, they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible MAN,...->(They do this beatifying defuncts of MAN and women, like mother Teresa among thousands, and countless defuncts of men). Vade retro satana.

24 Wherefore GOD also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of GOD into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[Oseas3]

Since I don't know how to respond to him, I just don't respond at all.

What does the Word of GOD say? -> Ecclesiastes 9:17:-> 17 The words of wise men->(the Holy Scriptures that were written by 24 elders, beginning by Moses) are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.

 

[Oseas3]

I stopped trying long ago

What does the most High GOD say? Habakkuk 2:20-King James Version (KJV):-> 20 The Lord is in His Holy Temple: let all the earth keep silence before Him.

And Revelation 11:19 says:-> 19 And the temple of GOD was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Alleluia.

 

[Oseas3]

I welcome good-faith input, even if I strongly disagree, but I feel I can't respond appropriately if I don't understand the point somebody is making.

Luke 17:6-10:-> 6 The Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

 

[Van]

John 3
34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.

In post #61 you addressed me. Nuff said.
In post #62, we find John 3:32-34 posted out of order. Here is the same passage rendered in an interpretive translation.

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“What Jesus Christ has seen and heard, of this He testifies; and His unique and divinely given testimony has been given to no one else. ​

The person (Christ Jesus) who was divinely given His testimony has certified that God is true.​

“For He whom God sent (Christ Jesus) speaks the words of God; for He does not give the Spirit in limited measure." Here the gift of the Spirit refers to the gift of our Spirit God's revelation in the testimony of Christ.​

Or in other words, the passage supports the validly of Christ's testimony found in our New Testament. Thus our understanding is indeed from God's perspective.

 

[Walter]

What does the Word of GOD say? -> Ecclesiastes 9:17:-> 17 The words of wise men->(the Holy Scriptures that were written by 24 elders, beginning by Moses) are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.

This has nothing to do with the OP. Try to address the topic

 

[Walter]

What does the Word of GOD say? -> Ecclesiastes 9:17:-> 17 The words of wise men->(the Holy Scriptures that were written by 24 elders, beginning by Moses) are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.

Has nothing to do with the OP

 

[Walter]

The adherents of the apostate Church of Rome, the IDOLATER Roman Catholic Church, guided by the religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, they all fell into the traps of Devil in the blackness of the darkness. Spiritually they all are blind, guided by blinds, the Popes,

Somebody's cranky today

 

[rockytopva]

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. - Luke 17:21

 

[JonC]

Well, maybe it's me, I'm used to someone quoting Scripture and then explaining it according to the topic.

That way I can respond understanding the other view.

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

 

[Charlie24]

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

That would fit perfect if the topic was Hades.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

1Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD.

OKsooo..

 

[Oseas3]

In post #61 you addressed me. Nuff said.
In post #62, we find John 3:32-34 posted out of order. Here is the same passage rendered in an interpretive translation.
“What Jesus Christ has seen and heard, of this He testifies; and His unique and divinely given testimony has been given to no one else.

The above posted from your heart is a false testimony. JESUS said:->John 15:26:-> 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I WILL SEND unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: John 16:12-15-> 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

What you posted above posted from your heart is a false testimony. My Lord JESUS said: Matthew 15:19. ->For out of the heart proceed false witness, evil thoughts, blasphemies, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts :

The person (Christ Jesus) who was divinely given His testimony has certified that God is true.
“For He whom God sent (Christ Jesus) speaks the words of God; for He does not give the Spirit in limited measure." Here the gift of the Spirit refers to the gift of our Spirit God's revelation in the testimony of Christ.

My Lord JESUS said:->Revelation 22:7 and 16:->7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 16 I Jesus have SENT mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 1:1:-> The Revelation of JESUS Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He SENT and signified it by His angel unto His servant John: ->

Or in other words, the passage supports the validly of Christ's testimony found in our New Testament. Thus our understanding is indeed from God's perspective.

Opinion is good for nothing. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word was(and is) GOD-> John 1:1.
To bear true witness about my Lord Jesus, it is necessary, first of all, to have the Spirit of Christ. -> JESUS said: Matthew 11:27: "...no man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him."

 

[Oseas3]

This has nothing to do with the OP. Try to address the topic

But has to do with easternstar said:

 

[Oseas3]

Has nothing to do with the OP

But has to do with easternstar said, understand?

 

[Oseas3]

Somebody's cranky today

My Lord JESUS warned:-> Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a Sword. ->Matthew 10:34 combined with Revelation 19:15, take a look.

 

[Oseas3]

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. - Luke 17:21

Right. And Revelation 11:15-18 say: ->(combined with Matthew 5:5 and Revelation 5:10 and mainly 1Corinthians 15:24-28 and 51-55: take a look):
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before GOD on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord GOD Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were(WILL BE)angry,and thy WRATH is come,and the time of the dead,that they should be judged,->(Isaiah 26:19-21 combined with Daniel 12:1-3 and 1Thessalonians 4:16, take a look) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,and them that fear thy name, small and great;and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. ->( 2 Peter 3:11-14:->
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Revelation 16:13-15, take a look.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.->(as in Genesis 3:7-11, take a look, and be prepared, or else get ready.

 

[Oseas3]

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

Perfect. What you have posted will fulfill LITERALLY from now on. It's midnight on GOD's clock watch, it means, we are living in the turn from the sixth Day to the seventh and LAST Day.->(Matthew 25:6:-> Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him. ->Yeah, go ye out to meet Him.