Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 4

[Silverhair]

Yeah but they dont remain unsaved, He saves them from that condition. You advocate there are unsaved Christ died for, but nevertheless. they remain unsaved and eventually die a unbeliever in their sins ? So the permanently unsaved had no Saviour from sin. Are you saying Jesus the Saviour is the Saviour of them who die in their sins ? Yes or No

BF you asked "Are you saying Jesus the Saviour is the Saviour of them who die in their sins ? Yes or No"

The answer is YES, not because I say it but because the the word of God does.

Christ came as the savior of the whole world BF. The fact that many will not trust in Him does not change the fact.

1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

You can either believe the bible BF or you can continue to follow your false view but only one is true.

 

[Brightfame52]

Our salvation is by the grace of God.
Eph 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.

If you are elect, Grace is only for a elect remnant and grace saves them, nothing potential about it, its sure

 

[Brightfame52]

The answer is YES, not because I say it but because the the word of God does.

Then you blaspheme Christ and lie on God. Jesus isn't the Saviour of them who are not ever saved. Thats a contradiction to what Saviour from sin accomplishes.

 

[Silverhair]

If you are elect, Grace is only for a elect remnant and grace saves them, nothing potential about it, its sure

We are only elect once we are in the Elect One, Christ Jesus.

All those that freely trust in the risen Christ are saved BF. You continue to make logical errors in your posts.

For a minister you sure do make a lot of errors in your understanding of scripture.

 

[Silverhair]

Then you blaspheme Christ and lie on God. Jesus isn't the Saviour of them who are not ever saved. Thats a contradiction to what Saviour from sin accomplishes.

And you continue to prove that you do not understand or believe the word of God.

Why do you not believe the bible BF?

Christ came as the savior of the whole world BF. The fact that many will not trust in Him does not change the fact.
1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Brightfame52]

Now what about the World in Jn 3:16 ? Thats the World of Believers, of Gods Elect/Chosen or His Sheep. I remember back in the day when you looked up the word world kosmos it would include in its various meanings " world of believers" but now that definition has been omitted ! Satan is behind that. John 3:16 was included in that meaning for the word world.

Man has taken the word believeth in Jn 3:16 and presented it as if God is saying that believing is a conditional act of obedience man must perform to get saved, but thats handling the word deceitfully, dishonestly. The word believing in the verse is a present participle, to be read:

That whosoever is believing may have everlasting. The objective end of God so Loving the Kosmos and giving Christ for it is so that it would bring about those believing. The believing is merely evidential of those God Loved and gave Christ for.

False teachers have taken in Jn 3:16 what is to be a evidential believing and made it into a conditional believing, as if its a command that man must perform to get saved, perverting the truth !

 

[Brightfame52]

We are only elect once we are in the Elect One, Christ Jesus.

False. The elect were chosen in Christ b4 the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ came as the savior of the whole world BF.

I agree, but you saying He is the potential saviour, Im saying He is the actual Saviour of His Elect. He is a Saviour unto Israel, the elect Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

 

[Silverhair]

Now what about the World in Jn 3:16 ? Thats the World of Believers, of Gods Elect/Chosen or His Sheep. I remember back in the day when you looked up the word world kosmos it would include in its various meanings " world of believers" but now that definition has been omitted ! Satan is behind that. John 3:16 was included in that meaning for the word world.

Man has taken the word believeth in Jn 3:16 and presented it as if God is saying that believing is a conditional act of obedience man must perform to get saved, but thats handling the word deceitfully, dishonestly. The word believing in the verse is a present participle, to be read:

That whosoever is believing may have everlasting. The objective end of God so Loving the Kosmos and giving Christ for it is so that it would bring about those believing. The believing is merely evidential of those God Loved and gave Christ for.

False teachers have taken in Jn 3:16 what is to be a evidential believing and made it into a conditional believing, as if its a command that man must perform to get saved, perverting the truth !

G5774
Tense-Present
The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. The action is Progressive (Continuous)

"In the New Testament, when belief is said to lead to eternal life, as is the case here, {Joh 3:16} the tense expressing continuous action is always used while the tense expressing a single action is never used. The stress is thus placed on a continuous faith rather than on an isolated moment of faith.—Thus never in these passages expressing belief in eternal life is one’s eternal security said to be guaranteed by a single, isolated act of faith" (George Allen Turner and Julius R. Mantey, The Gospel According to John, p. 99, who for the final sentence, given as footnote 20, cite E. A. Mills, "Terms for Belief in John’s Gospel"; thesis in Asbury Theological Seminary, 1952)

Believing is the condition of ones salvation BF.

BF do you think God believes for them, that God saves those that do not believe?

 

[Silverhair]

False. The elect were chosen in Christ b4 the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4

Your reading your religion into the text BF. But that is a common thing that you do.

You have more trust in the word of man than you do in the word of God.

 

[Silverhair]

I agree, but you saying He is the potential saviour, Im saying He is the actual Saviour of His Elect. He is a Saviour unto Israel, the elect Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

All can be saved BF which is something that your religion does not permit. Your view is that God picked out a select group and only they can be saved. That is not a biblical view.

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

So we see Christ is the potential savior of the whole world and the actual savior of those that freely trust in Him.

 

[Brightfame52]

Believing is the condition of ones salvation BF.

False that is works salvation, apostacy

 

[Brightfame52]

Your reading your religion into the text BF. But that is a common thing that you do.

You have more trust in the word of man than you do in the word of God.

Yes they had a union with Christ before the foundation. Ephesians 1:4

 

[Brightfame52]

All can be saved BF which is something that your religion does not permit.

He is a Savior to Israel God's Elect. That is Gospel truth. Paul is preaching it .

 

[Ascetic X]

False that is works salvation, apostacy

Again, you contradict scripture. Faith/believing is not salvation by works. Faith is the opposite of works.

Galatians 2:16

knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

 

[Silverhair]

He is a Savior to Israel God's Elect. That is Gospel truth. Paul is preaching it .

Joh_4:42 and they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world."

1Jn_4:14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Why do you continue to deny what the word of God says BF?

You are following a false religion that has twisted the word of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

Again, you contradict scripture. Faith/believing is not salvation by works.

It is when you make them conditions you do to get saved. Paul doesnt teach them as conditions but as evidences of salvation

 

[Brightfame52]

Repentance is given by the Saviour !​

As it is with Gospel Faith, so it is with Gospel Repentance, its not of man, but the Gift of the Saviour. Jesus told His sent Messengers that Repentance and Remission of sins are to be preached in His Name Lk 24:46-47

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

That they should be preached in His Name means they are products , effects of His Person and Work, His suffering and death and resurrection.

He was raised from the dead a Prince and a Saviour in order to give repentance and remission of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The word give[ didómi ] here means to bestow as a Gift

Its a word that denotes causative results, it means to bring forth, for instance how the word is used here Matt 13:8

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

James 5:18

And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

So Christ as a Risen Saviour brings about and effects repentance upon them Hes a Saviour unto, those He suffered and died for, mainly the Elect of God amongst all Nations !

Christ isnt ones Saviour if He doesnt give them Repentance !

 

[Silverhair]

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Yes we are to preach repentance and forgiveness of sins to the world. but the person that hears still has to choose whether they will trust in Him for their salvation

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

So you believe that all of Israel is saved BF?

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Who brought forth the fruit BF.
Mat 13:23 "And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."

And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

As the word of God believed leads to good fruit so the water from heaven will lead to the growth of fruit from the earth.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes we are to preach repentance and forgiveness of sins to the world. but the person that hears still has to choose whether they will trust in Him for their salvation

Thats false, that preaching is to the already saved, so they will hear and repent

So you believe that all of Israel is saved BF?

Yes meaning the elect, not national israel. Jesus only gives elect Israel repentance.

Who brought forth the fruit BF.

The saved