God's Wisdom versus Earthly, Sensual, and Demonic Wisdom about Instrumental Music

[Scripture More Accurately]

No one has to accept your premises to understand the arguments you're trying to make. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say, we really wish you'd just get to the point.

I stated my point right at the beginning of the thread: #1

In any area of doctrine or practice, heeding earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom instead of the wisdom that descends from above makes the unity, peace, and righteousness that God wants among His people in that area impossible. What God's people believe and do in the realm of the instrumental music that they play and listen to is not an exception to this all-encompassing truth.

With their earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, wicked humans have invented and originated musical instruments and kinds of instrumental music that are categorically unacceptable to God.

 

[Ben1445]

I stated my point right at the beginning of the thread: #1



With their earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, wicked humans have invented and originated musical instruments and kinds of instrumental music that are categorically unacceptable to God.

I think what everyone is trying to get at is what music do you think that churches today are listening to that we need to get rid of.
Now is the time to fling in the moral.
Otherwise you have lost us as much as you would by continuing to scold mountain dwellers west of the Appalachians that they had better not drink ocean water. West Virginians are not running out to the ocean to get a drink of water. It is pointless to tell them not to.
So tell us which stream it is that you think we should not drink from. We will at least know what you think. You will be able to say that you warned us, and we may be able to get some closure in this conversation.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

I think what everyone is trying to get at is what music do you think that churches today are listening to that we need to get rid of.
Now is the time to fling in the moral.
Otherwise you have lost us as much as you would by continuing to scold mountain dwellers west of the Appalachians that they had better not drink ocean water. West Virginians are not running out to the ocean to get a drink of water. It is pointless to tell them not to.
So tell us which stream it is that you think we should not drink from. We will at least know what you think. You will be able to say that you warned us, and we may be able to get some closure in this conversation.

Having engaged in numerous online discussions about music over the years, I have vast experience that Christians routinely try to move discussions about music as fast as possible to discussion of musicological specifics instead of broader biblical and theological discussion that actually provides the answers that musicological specifics cannot provide. Once the discussion moves to debating musicological specifics, shifting the discussion back to where it really should be is very hard to do.

Until Christians are willing to acknowledge that there is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom specifically about musical instruments and their uses by humans, no amount of musicological information and discussion will suffice.

Do you believe that there is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom about the kinds of instrumental music that humans play on musical instruments? If not, why not?

 

[Ben1445]

Having engaged in numerous online discussions about music over the years, I have vast experience that Christians routinely try to move discussions about music as fast as possible to discussion of musicological specifics instead of broader biblical and theological discussion that actually provides the answers that musicological specifics cannot provide. Once the discussion moves to debating musicological specifics, shifting the discussion back to where it really should be is very hard to do.

Until Christians are willing to acknowledge that there is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom specifically about musical instruments and their uses by humans, no amount of musicological information and discussion will suffice.

But whether or not people recognize it does not change what reality is. So you can keep throwing out statements and then ducking the questions, or you can explain what you are getting at.
If you have already gotten to what you are getting at, please say so. The way you present makes it seem like you’re building up to something. As of yet, this build up has been very anticlimactic.
If you’re not going to produce the fountains of knowledge that are stirring you up, please just fill in the well and be done with it.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

But whether or not people recognize it does not change what reality is. So you can keep throwing out statements and then ducking the questions, or you can explain what you are getting at.
If you have already gotten to what you are getting at, please say so. The way you present makes it seem like you’re building up to something. As of yet, this build up has been very anticlimactic.
If you’re not going to produce the fountains of knowledge that are stirring you up, please just fill in the well and be done with it.

I am not ducking questions. I am choosing to not allow the discussion to move to what is of much lesser importance and value.

You did not answer my questions about what is much more important. Do you believe that there is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom about the kinds of instrumental music that humans have made? If not, why not?

To help you answer these questions, here is a brief summary of what I have already presented.

Indisputably, the Bible teaches that there is wisdom that is not from God that is earthly, sensual, and demonic. That truth is undeniably true.

I have also proven that wicked humans have made intrinsically sinful statues and musical instruments.

What then do you believe these truths teach us about the kinds of instrumental music that humans have made?