Brightfame52
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Your potential saviour is a dumb idol
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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 4
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Psalty
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Saying it to yourself also… lol.
You dont really come here to persuade people do you? Youd actually have to engage in dialogue to do that.
Silverhair
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To bad you are not honest in your posts BF. Your lack of integrity is quite telling.
Why do you ignore the rest of my post where I show the error of your views.
This seems to be the normal type of response you make.
I have yet to see you make a biblically supported response to post showing the error of your philosophy.
Silverhair
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BF as I said before, the more you post the more you prove that you do not know or trust the word of God.
You have locked yourself into a false theology that just cannot accept the biblical truth that man has to believe in the risen Christ before they will be saved.
I have said a number of times that Christ is the potential savior of the world. While all could be saved, that is potential salvation, it is only those that will freely believe in Him who will be saved, that is actual salvation.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
It is amazing how blind you are to the truth of scripture.
By your illogical view then the whole world should be saved.
Heb_2:9 should taste death for every man
1Jn_2:2 propitiation for the whole world
1Ti_2:5-6 gave Himself a ransom for all
1Ti_4:10 Savior of all men, especially of believers
Rom_5:6 Christ died for the ungodly
Rom_5:8 while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Silverhair
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Still ignoring the word of God I see.
If man does not believe he will not be saved.
That bit of biblical truth has gone right over your head BF.
You just will not believe the word of God as it contradicts the word your man-made philosophy.
Brightfame52
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You still dont receive it, the reconciled are saved, they will not have sin charged to them, they are forgiven. You dont believe being forgiven of sin is salvation ? Rom 4:7-8 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Thats these reconciled 2 Cor 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Brightfame52
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Where does scripture teach a potential saviour ? Thats not biblical
Brightfame52
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You trusting in what you did to get you saved. That pride, you havent uttered one word on what Christ done that saved sinners.
Silverhair
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BF you are not getting it, the reconciled are not saved. But all the reconciled are now saveable.
The death of Christ reconciled the whole world to God. That is why salvation is potential.
1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Is the whole world saved BF? They would be if we went by your view.
You keep quoting Rom 5:10 and still refuse to read believe the last half of the verse.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
BF note the words
"we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son"
"being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."
You can continue to disagree BF but you are disagreeing with God.
Silverhair
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BF are all people saved or just those that trust in the risen Christ?
IF we went by your view of reconciliation equaling salvation then the whole world would be saved. But your view is not biblical.
His death made salvation possible for the whole world, that is potential salvation. Those that trust in Him will be saved, that is actual salvation.
You do not seem to understand that clear difference BF.
Brightfame52
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Yes the reconciled are saved, forgiven of sins, Justified and Blessed:
You still dont receive it, the reconciled are saved, they will not have sin charged to them, they are forgiven. You dont believe being forgiven of sin is salvation ? Rom 4:7-8 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Thats these reconciled 2 Cor 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Brightfame52
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All the elect are saved for whom Christ died. There is no such thing as a potential saviour or salvation. The elect were saved in and by a eternal purpose in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Thats the Testimony of our Lord. Nothing potential or possible about it
Silverhair
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BF you are being less than honest now. Why do you make such dishonest statements.
How many times do I have to say that the death of Christ made salvation possible but it is trust in the risen Christ that brings about our salvation?
How many times have I quoted scripture?
You seem to be throwing mud at the wall hoping some will stick as you know your position is wrong but you just cannot admit it.
Silverhair
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BF you can take scripture out of context until the cows come home but it will not change the fact that no one is elect until they are in Christ through faith. No one was saved before creation as you seem to think.
It is sad to see someone who says they preach God's word show such a lack of understanding of God's word.
It does not matter if you believe me but it does matter whether you believe the word of God and you continue to show that you do not.
BF if you would learn to read verses in there context you would not make so many errors.
2Timothy is not about your "elect", it is a letter from Paul to Timothy to remind him to stand strong in holding to the gospel message that Paul had taught him.
Brightfame52
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You said Christ made salvation possible, so what makes salvation a finished fact ?
Brightfame52
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Those who are reconciled by His Death are forgiven, and blessed, in the favor of God, thats saved. Now you deny this
Silverhair
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Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith,
God saves those that have trusted in Him.
Rom 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
When you ask the question you did then it shows that you really do have a problem understanding the word of God.
Brightfame52
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Thats works. Again Trusting is an action the person does. You contribute salvation to your actions, not Christs actions.
Silverhair
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Because the whole world has been reconciled through the death of Christ.
1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
2Co_5:19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Are you suggesting that the whole world is saved?
That is why we are told that while the whole world is reconciled it is only those that freely trust in the risen Christ that will be saved.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!
The condition of salvation is faith in Him. If you do not believe you will not be saved.
Mar_16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Act_16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom_10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
1Co_1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
BF show me the verse that clearly says we are saved by being reconciled to God.